Dispersion: Why are Sine-like Functions Fundamental?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the reasons why sine-like functions are commonly used to describe wave propagation in dispersive media, particularly focusing on their constant speed and lack of dispersion compared to other waveforms, such as triangular waves. Participants explore mathematical, physical, and conceptual aspects of this phenomenon.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that sine-like waves are preferred due to their mathematical convenience in expressing conservation laws and their relationship with electromagnetic phenomena.
  • Others argue that the harmonic oscillator model used in many physical systems inherently favors sine-like functions, leading to their constant speed in dispersive media.
  • A participant questions whether there are materials where the harmonic oscillator approximation fails, potentially causing even sinusoidal waves to exhibit dispersion.
  • Another point raised is the role of time translation invariance in the medium, which may relate to energy conservation and the behavior of different waveforms.
  • Some participants note that the differential equations governing wave propagation typically favor second-order solutions, which often align with sine-like functions.
  • There is mention of nonlinear media and how they might produce different propagation effects that do not conform to the typical dispersion seen with sinusoidal waves.
  • References to recent research on alternative wave modes, such as Airy modes and breathers, are introduced as examples of different propagation phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the reasons for the preference of sine-like functions, with no consensus reached on the fundamental nature of this preference or the implications of alternative waveforms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which other bases might be applicable.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the harmonic oscillator model and the assumptions made in deriving the wave equations. The discussion also touches on the implications of nonlinear effects in certain materials, which may not align with traditional models.

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Why do sine-like waves travel at constant speed in a dispersive medium, and not for example triangle waves?
Hi.
Light travelling in dispersive media is normally treated by being broken up into its harmonic constituents by Fourier analysis and those then travel at frequency-dependent, but constant speed.

However, from a mathematical point of view, there should be infinitely many other bases of the vector space of periodic functions that are not sine-like, and there is no mathematical reason why the sines should be preferred. For example, the Walsh basis consists of square waves (but there surely are also bases with smooth periodic functions).
So why is it that exactly the sine-like waves travel at constant speed?

My guess is that it comes down to the single oscillators of the medium and that they are treated as harmonic in first-order approximation, which then distinguishes sines from other bases. Does that work?
 
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greypilgrim said:
TL;DR Summary: Why do sine-like waves travel at constant speed in a dispersive medium, and not for example triangle waves?
If I understand your question correctly, the main benefit to using sinusoidal-type basis functions is that it's easy to express conservation of energy and momentum. Also, it comes down to the way a electromagnetic phenomena are modeled, for example in the case of E&M, the permittivity/permeability/refractive index are all easily specified as functions ε(ω), μ(ω) , and n(ω), which require/imply sinusoidal oscillatory-type functions for the fields.

To be sure, there are indeed other basis functions available (wavelets are a good counterexample as are Gaussian modes).

You are basically correct, as soon as harmonic oscillation is used to model any wave-like phenomenon, you are choosing a set of basis functions sin(kx-ωt) or cos(kx-ωt) or ei(kx-ωt).
 
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Andy Resnick said:
If I understand your question correctly, the main benefit to using sinusoidal-type basis functions is that it's easy to express conservation of energy and momentum.
They surely are in most cases the most convenient to deal with. My question was more about why they are also the ones that travel at constant velocity, i.e. individually show no dispersion (waveform does not change while travelling through the medium).

Consequently, each other basis should not behave that nicely, i.e. the waveform of the basis function changes while passing the medium.

My question was why nature seems to favour the sine-like basis in that respect, even though the choice of basis should be mathematically equivalent. But as you say, it is probably not nature but us doing this by modelling the material as collection of harmonic oscillators that distinguishes this basis from all others.

Which begs the question: Are there materials for which the harmonic oscillator approximation is that bad such that even sinusoidal waves show dispersion?

Or maybe just theoretically, would sinusoidal waves show dispersion in a crystal where the restoring force of the individual atoms behaves as ##F\left(x\right)=-k\cdot x^4## ?
 
Doesn't this have to do with time translation invariance of the medium? This, of course, may be traced back to energy conservation. Triangular waves aren't multiplied by a constant when the time derivative is taken.
 
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The propagation in a medium is governed by a differential equation. Good basis functions turn out to be solutions to that differential equation. In most cases, the differential equations are second order due to the laws of motion*. Hence, the popularity of forms similar to exp(kr-iwt).

* You can ask the question: https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...-equations-for-fields-in-physics-of-order-two
That rabbit hole goes pretty deep. I don't pretend to understand, but it has something to do with the fact that systems with higher order derivatives tend to be non-causal and non-invariant. Imagine all the molecules in your body exploding at the speed of light. :-)
 
FinBurger said:
The propagation in a medium is governed by a differential equation. Good basis functions turn out to be solutions to that differential equation.
Yes. But the usual derivation of the wave equation explicitly assumes the restoring force of the oscillators to be proportional to displacement, so it again comes down to the harmonic oscillator.
 
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greypilgrim said:
They surely are in most cases the most convenient to deal with. My question was more about why they are also the ones that travel at constant velocity, i.e. individually show no dispersion (waveform does not change while travelling through the medium).

That's a consequence of Maxwell's equations being linear.

greypilgrim said:
Which begs the question: Are there materials for which the harmonic oscillator approximation is that bad such that even sinusoidal waves show dispersion?
That's the relevant question! Alternatively, you are asking about "strongly nonlinear media" such as liquid crystals. AFAIK, what happens isn't 'dispersion' (a frequency change requires energy non-conservation) but rather, a variety of propagation effects can be manifested. A 'common' case is when the refractive index varies with intensity: light no longer travels in straight lines.

Airy modes received some attention recently:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22510-7

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0305-4470/25/6/002

There are also new kinds of modes (basis states) called "breathers":

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0375960110009527
https://opg.optica.org/ol/fulltext.cfm?uri=ol-32-21-3206&id=144557

And, the same question in a totally different application:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2017.0130
 
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