Dissociation Constant Homework Check

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the dissociation constant (Ka) for hydrofluoric acid (HF) based on a given concentration and pH. Participants explore the necessary conversions and calculations involved in determining Ka, focusing on units and molarity.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial calculation for Ka based on the concentration of HF and the pH, but questions if they are on the right track.
  • Several participants emphasize the need to convert the concentration of HF from grams to molarity (mol/dm3) using its molar mass.
  • There is a correction regarding the units for the concentration of H3O+, clarifying that it should be expressed in mol/L rather than grams.
  • One participant recalculates the dissociation constant using the correct molarity values and presents a new Ka value, seeking feedback on the revised calculation.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the revised calculation and expresses appreciation for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for correct unit conversions and the formula for calculating Ka. However, there is no consensus on the initial calculation presented, as it undergoes corrections and refinements throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of using consistent units (mol/L) throughout the calculations. There are also references to specific steps in the calculation process that may depend on the interpretation of the problem statement.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about acid-base chemistry, particularly those working on calculations involving dissociation constants and pH.

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Question:
A solution of hydrofluoric acid contains 2.0g of HF per litre and has a pH of 2.2. What is the dissociation constant for HF?

My Answer:
HF + H2O <-> H3O+ + F-

HF = 2.0g
H30+ = 10^-2.2 = .0063g
F- = H3O = .0063

Ka = [H3O+][F-] / HF
= (.0063)(.0063) / 2.0
=1.98 x 10^-5

Therefore the dissociation constant for HF is 2.0 x 10^-5

Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track?
Thanks
 
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yellowduck said:
Question:
HF = 2.0g
To find [tex]K_a[/tex] you need the concentration of [tex]HF[/tex] expressed in [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex]. Convert [tex]2.0 g.dm^{-3}[/tex] to [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex] using molar mass.
yellowduck said:
Question:
H30+ = 10^-2.2 = .0063g
The concentration of [tex]H_3O^+[/tex] that you calculated using that expression is molar concentration, so the units are [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex].
 
PPonte said:
To find [tex]K_a[/tex] you need the concentration of [tex]HF[/tex] expressed in [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex]. Convert [tex]2.0 g.dm^{-3}[/tex] to [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex] using molar mass.



The concentration of [tex]H_3O^+[/tex] that you calculated using that expression is molar concentration, so the units are [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex].


My Text mentions nothing about [tex]mol.dm^{-3}[/tex]
it does say to calculate [tex][H_3O^{+}] = 10^{-x}[/tex]
So that's how I got .0063 mol/L

I also have, from the text the formula for calculating the acid dissociation constant [tex]K_{a}[/tex]

Ka = [H30+][X-] / [HX]
 
yellowduck said:
So that's how I got .0063 mol/L
That's right you got [tex]0.0063 mol/L[/tex]! But you indicated on your previous post:

yellowduck said:
Question:
H30+ = 10^-2.2 = .0063g

I am just correcting the units. It is not grams but mol/dm3 or mol/L, since 1 L = 1 dm3.
You, maybe, ask why the units are those. Because you find the pH of a solution from the molar concentration of [tex]H_3O^+[/tex]. The expression is:
[tex]pH = - \log\left[ H_3O^{+}_{(aq)} ][/tex]

Then, using that expression, knowing the value of pH, you can just find the molar concentration of [tex]H_3O^+[/tex].
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yellowduck said:
I also have, from the text the formula for calculating the acid dissociation constant [tex]K_{a}[/tex]
Ka = [H30+][X-] / [HX]

The formula is correct.
 
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Hmm... yes I seem to mess up on the units sometimes.

I would like to do this all in mol/L if possible. (we have been taught to this point only in mol/L)

So does this look better?
HF + H2O <-> H3O+ + F-

HF = 1+19=20 g/mol
2g HF x 1 mol HF / 20g HF = .1 mol HF
So HF = .1 mol/L

H30+ = 10^-2.2 = .0063 mol/L
F- = H3O = .0063 mol/L

Ka = [H3O+][F-] / HF
= (.0063)(.0063) / .1
=4.0 x 10^-4

Therefore the dissociation constant for HF is 4.0 x 10^-4

Can you please give me your feedback on this?

Thank you very much for all your help. This forum and people who help have been a valuable resource.
 
yellowduck said:
Hmm... yes I seem to mess up on the units sometimes.

I would like to do this all in mol/L if possible. (we have been taught to this point only in mol/L)

So does this look better?
HF + H2O <-> H3O+ + F-

HF = 1+19=20 g/mol
2g HF x 1 mol HF / 20g HF = .1 mol HF
So HF = .1 mol/L

H30+ = 10^-2.2 = .0063 mol/L
F- = H3O = .0063 mol/L

Ka = [H3O+][F-] / HF
= (.0063)(.0063) / .1
=4.0 x 10^-4

Therefore the dissociation constant for HF is 4.0 x 10^-4

Can you please give me your feedback on this?

Thank you very much for all your help. This forum and people who help have been a valuable resource.

Looks good to me :smile:
 
Thank you PPonte and Hootenanny for taking the time to review my work and help me out.

Thanks Again.
 
My pleasure! :approve:
 

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