Dissociation constants of NaCl/KCl

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dissociation constants of NaCl and KCl, specifically in the context of their behavior in a 1 M solution. Participants explore the extent of dissociation and the implications of ionic interactions in concentrated solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the specific dissociation constants of NaCl and KCl to understand their dissociation in a 1 M solution.
  • Another participant notes that both salts are highly ionic and suggest they are nearly completely ionized in water, referencing solubility data to support this view.
  • It is mentioned that while NaCl and KCl are soluble at high concentrations, the presence of ionic pairs in concentrated solutions complicates the understanding of their dissociation, implying that they may not be fully dissociated.
  • A later reply expresses skepticism about finding a dissociation constant due to the challenges posed by high ionic strength and suggests that creating a table of dissociation ratios may be more practical than determining a dissociation constant.
  • One participant recommends a website that may provide helpful information regarding dissociation constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent of dissociation in concentrated solutions, with some suggesting near-complete dissociation while others highlight the formation of ionic pairs that may affect this. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific dissociation constants and their practical determination.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that high ionic strength can lead to deviations in activity from ideal behavior, complicating the determination of dissociation constants. The discussion also touches on the limitations of relying solely on solubility data without considering the effects of concentration on dissociation.

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What are the dissociation constants of NaCl and KCl respectively? I want to determine how much of the salt dissociates in a 1 M solution. Thanks!
 
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We know that both salts KCl and NaCl are highly ionic, and can confirm that they are almost completely ionized in water allowing them to make very concentrated solutions. Without knowing the dissociation constants, we can still surmise this from the table of solubilities found in Wiki ...\Solubility_Table. Both NaCL and KCl are soluble to the extent of 34-35 wt/wt% at 20C which is well above 1 M... One would expect that 1M solutions would be 100% ionized of either NaCl or KCl. It is interesting to note that as the temperature is dropped to 0C the KCl saturated solution is lower concentration than the NaCl saturated solution at 0C...(though both are still well above 1 M). KCl would be expected to crystallize first if solutions are concentrated enough and cooled!
 
It is not that easy, they do create ionic pairs in concentrated solutions, which is equivalent to the salt being "not dissociated". It is especially apparent when comparing osmotic pressure measured and calculated from the salt concentration.

But I doubt you will find a dissociation constant. For the effect to be visible you need relatively high concentrations, which means high ionic strength, which means activities differ substantially from 1 - and it is easier and safer to prepare a table of dissociation ratios, than to determine dissociation constant.
 
Hello clarinets,

I would recommend to checkout the website (dissociationconstant.com), hopefully it would be helpful to you.
 

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