Distance Between Center Of Masses

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The problem involves finding the distance between the center of mass of a square sheet of metal with a circular hole cut out of it. The square has sides of 52.8 cm, and the circular hole has a diameter of 26.4 cm, located at the top right of the square.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the idea of treating the circular hole as having negative mass and consider calculating the centers of mass for both the square and the circle before combining them. There is uncertainty about the initial steps and the application of the center of mass formula.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem and discussing the concept of negative mass in relation to the circular hole. Some guidance on using symmetry and the definition of center of mass has been provided, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is a lack of clarity on the specific calculations needed to find the centers of mass for both shapes, and participants are questioning how to effectively combine these to find the overall center of mass.

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Homework Statement



A circular hole of diameter 26.4 cm is cut out of a uniform square of sheet metal having sides 52.8 cm.

Note - The circle is located at the top right of the square.

What is the distance between the center of mass and the center of the square?

Homework Equations



xcm = E(mnxn) / Emn

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't really know where to start this one. Do I have to solve for the center off mass for the uncut square then the circle and subtract the two values?
 
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Try looking at this as a square with a circle of negative mass superimposed on it.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Try looking at this as a square with a circle of negative mass superimposed on it.

AM

I understand the concept of a square with a circle of negative mass but I don't really know how to approach the problem. I think I should find the center of mass of the square and then the center of mass for the circle and subtract the two values. The center of mass on the square will be somewhere in the bottom left corner.
 
Warmacblu said:
I understand the concept of a square with a circle of negative mass but I don't really know how to approach the problem. I think I should find the center of mass of the square and then the center of mass for the circle and subtract the two values. The center of mass on the square will be somewhere in the bottom left corner.
You can treat the square and the circle as a point masses located at their respective centres of mass. You can use symmetry to determine where the centres of mass of the circle and square are located. Then is it is just a matter of applying the definition of centre of mass to find the centre of mass of those two combined masses (using the centre of the square as the origin):

(1) [tex]R = \frac{\sum m_ir_i}{\sum m_i} = \frac{(M_cR_c + M_s x 0)}{M_c + M_s}[/tex]

AM
 

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