Distance of the final image in a compound microscope

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The discussion revolves around a compound microscope with specified focal lengths for the objective and eyepiece, along with the separation distance between the lenses. Participants are tasked with determining various distances related to the intermediate and final images formed by the microscope.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the distance of the intermediate image and the final image from both the eyepiece and the objective. There is a focus on the object distance for the eyepiece and the interpretation of negative values in the context of image positions.

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Some participants have provided calculations for the intermediate image distance and are questioning the interpretation of the final image distance. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the distances and the signs of the values, with some guidance offered regarding the interpretation of negative distances.

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Participants reference a graph from a textbook that may influence their understanding of the final image distance. There is also mention of confusion regarding the definitions of object distances and the implications of virtual images in the context of the problem.

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A compound microscope has an objective of focal length 12 mm and an eyepiece of focal length 50 mm. The lenses have a separation of 90 mm and an object of height 0.3 mm is placed 15 mm from the objective. Calculate: (a) the distance of the intermediate image from the objective; (b) the distance of the final image from (i) the eyepiece, (ii) the objective; (c) the size of the intermediate image; (d) the angular magnification.

Answers: (a) 60 mm; (b) (i) 75 mm, (ii) 15 mm; (c) 1.2 mm; (d) 33.3

2. The attempt at a solution
(a) (1 / u) + (1 / v) = (1 / f)
u = 15 mm, f = 12 mm. Plug in and v = 60 mm

(c) (h / ho) = (v / u)
ho = 0.3 mm, v = 60 mm, u = 15 mm. Plug in and h = 1.2 mm

(d) M = β / α
α = ho / D = 0.3 / 250 = 1.2 * 10-3
β = h / (90 mm - 30 mm) = 0.04
M = 33.3

But (b)? I used this graph from the book for my question.
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And according to this graph the distance of the final image (final virtual image) from the eyepiece is D and is 250 mm. And the distance from FVI to the objective should be more than 15 mm. Maybe I don't quite understand what shall I find. Really stuck on this one. Any help please?
 
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You need to find the position of the final image, made by the eyepiece lens. The object is the first image. What is the object distance?
 
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ehild said:
You need to find the position of the final image, made by the eyepiece lens. The object is the first image. What is the object distance?
By object you mean "intermediate real image"?

Is it something like this:
From (a) we have v = 60 mm for the obj. lens. So u = 30 for the eyepiece lens.

1 / 30 + 1 / v = 1 / 50
v = - 75 mm. So the distance from the eyepiece is 75 mm and the image is virtual.

Because S = 90 mm, 90 - 75 = 15 mm, distance from the objective.

Is this right? And why is it -75 but in the answer it's just 75? And is the 90-75 way a correct way to find 15 mm? And how come it is not negative?

Sorry for so many questions, a bit confused on this part.
 
You're doing fine. The -75 is correct, and it's a position on a coordinate axis with the objective at the origin.
The book answer is |-75| mm = 75 mm because they ask for a distance.
And yes, the virtual image is at position (+90) + (-75) wrt the objective (*), so at | +15| = 15 mm distance from the objective.

(*) relative position wrt objective = relative position of ocular wrt objective + relative position of virtual image wrt ocular

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