Distance Traveled by Clock Hour Hand in 1hr 20min

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance traveled by the tip of a clock's hour hand over a period of 1 hour and 20 minutes, given the length of the hour hand. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including the use of circular motion concepts and ratio-proportion techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how far the tip of a 4-inch hour hand travels in 1 hour and 20 minutes.
  • Another participant suggests using the circumference of the circle and calculating the fraction of that covered in the given time.
  • A different approach involving ratio-proportion is proposed, where the angle in radians is derived from the time elapsed.
  • One participant seeks clarification on when to use the ratio-proportion technique and requests further explanation of the equation presented.
  • Another participant introduces the formula for the length of a circular arc, indicating that the angle can be determined from the elapsed time.
  • There is a discussion about converting 1 hour and 20 minutes into hours and determining what fraction of 12 hours this represents.
  • Participants debate the correct mathematical operations to find the fraction of the hour hand's movement, with some confusion over division and multiplication.
  • One participant arrives at a value of 1/9 for the fraction of the revolution and calculates the distance traveled using the arc length formula.
  • Another participant suggests leaving the answer in exact form rather than a decimal approximation and provides a mathematical statement using proportions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods to approach the problem but exhibit disagreement regarding the correct application of mathematical operations and the interpretation of the ratio-proportion technique. The discussion remains unresolved on some of these points.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct mathematical steps and the application of ratio-proportion in this context. There are also unresolved questions regarding the clarity of the techniques used.

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if the hour hand of a clock has a length of 4 in. how far does its tip travel in 1hr and 20min?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
if the hour hand of a clock has a length of 4 in. how far does its tip travel in 1hr and 20min?
The tip of the hour hand travels round a circle of radius 4 in, covering a complete revolution in 12 hours. You know the formula for the circumference of the circle. So what fraction of that will be be covered in 1hr 20 min?
 
you can also use ratio-proportion to solve the problem.

$\displaystyle\frac{2\pi}{12\text{ hr}}=\frac{a}{1\text{ hr and }20\text{ min}}$

"a" is the angle in radian that would be generated in time 1hr and 20 min. - convert the minute part into hour.
 
but how do you know when to use that technique? markfl? latebloomer? and i didn't understand how you came up with that equation $\displaystyle\frac{2\pi}{12\text{ hr}}=\frac{a}{1\text{ hr and }20\text{ min}}$

can you please explain further. anyone who's online please i want an urgent answer. thanks!
 
I would use the formula for length of the circular arc (essentially what Opalg is hinting at):

$$s=r\theta$$

We are given the radius $r=4\text{ in}$, and the angle $\theta$ can be determined from the elapsed time. The hour hand makes a complete revolution in 12 hours, and a complete revolution is $2\pi$ radians. What fraction of 12 hours is 1 hour and 20 minutes? When you find this fraction, which represents the fraction of a complete revolution the hour hand makes, then multiply this fraction by the complete revolution to find the angle through which the hour hand turns in the given time.

So, how many hours is 1 hour and 20 minutes?
 
1hr and 20 is 4/3 hr. 12X4/3 = 16 this is my understanding of "what fraction of 12hrs is 1hr and 20 min". is this right?
 
Yes, 1 hour 20 minutes is 4/3 hour, but to find what fraction this is of 12, we want to divide not multiply. For example, we know 6 hours is 1/2 of 12 hours, and this can be found from 6/12 = 1/2. :D
 
4/3/12 = 16 is this right?
 
paulmdrdo said:
4/3/12 = 16 is this right?
No. 4/3 divided by 12 is $\dfrac4{3\times12}$.
 
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paulmdrdo said:
4/3/12 = 16 is this right?

No, we want:

$$\frac{4/3}{12}=\frac{1/3}{3}=\frac{1}{3\cdot3}$$

We know that 4/3 is smaller than 12, so when we divide 4/3 by 12, we should expect to get a fraction smaller than one.
 
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oh my it's 1/9. now if we plugged it in $s = r\theta$ i will have $s=4(\frac{1}{9})(2\pi)=2.792\, in$ it seems correct now.

but i have a follow up question why is ratio and proportion also works in this problem?
 
  • #12
Unless you are required to use a decimal approximation, I would leave the answer exact:

$$s=\frac{8\pi}{9}\text{ in}$$

Using proportions, which is quite similar to what we've just done, we may state in words:

12 hours is to one revolution what 4/3 hours is to some part of a revolution. Stated mathematically, this is:

$$\frac{12\text{ hr}}{2\pi}=\frac{\frac{4}{3}\text{ hr}}{\theta}$$
 

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