Distances, compactification & Möbius transformations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the computation of distances on a one-dimensional Euclidean submanifold, specifically the x-axis, when compactified to include a point at infinity. Participants explore the implications of using Möbius transformations and the concept of cyclicity in defining metrics on this space.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the complex plane and a Möbius transformation to map the x-axis onto a circle, questioning if the shortest arc length is the correct metric to use.
  • Another participant points out that compactifying the x-axis leads to different notions of distance, emphasizing that the choice of metric depends on the context and that many distance functions exist.
  • A later reply seeks to formalize the question, suggesting a mapping from the compactified space to circles and discussing the equivalence of distances under transformations, ultimately questioning the suitability of the shortest arc length.
  • Another participant clarifies that for a map to be conformal, both the range and domain must be Riemannian manifolds, which do not necessarily have a unique notion of distance or arc-length.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the shortest arc length as a metric and the nature of distance on compactified spaces. There is no consensus on a single correct metric or approach, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of metric can lead to different interpretations of distance, and the discussion acknowledges the potential for multiple valid metrics depending on the definitions and context applied.

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Hi,
I have two points on a one-dimensional Euclidean submanifold, say the x-axis.
I want to assume that this subspace is kind of "cyclic". This is often accomplished with the compactification R\cup \{ \infty \}

The question is: How can I compute distances (up to some constant factor) between two points taking into account this sort of "cyclicness" ?


My idea was to use the complex plane, translate the x-axis vertically so that it passes through the point (0,i) and apply a Möbius transformation 1/z. Now all the points z=x+i where x\in R are mapped onto a circle, and I could use the shortest arc between the two corresponding points.
- Is this actually correct?
- Is the "shortest arc" length the correct metric to use?
 
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It's hard to follow what you're trying to do without some background.
Firstly if you are taking a non-compact one dimensional submanifold of the Euclidean plane and then compactifying it, you may as well be taking one dimensional submanifolds of the sphere.

There are a whole lot of different notions of distance on the sphere; the standard notion of distance being inherited from its standard embedding in Euclidean 3 space. Then your one dimensional submanifolds (circles) inherit a metric from whatever one you have on the sphere.

Your suggestion gives a distance function (but so do a boat-load of others), but it is of course different to the distance function in the Euclidean plane (since all distances between points on a circle are finite, but distances along the x-axis are arbitrarily big).

So to summarise: there is no "correct" metric to use. It depends on the context. I'm pretty sure your idea is a metric, but it is by no means the only one.
 
You are right, I have to formalize my question better. I'll try now.

I want to consider a one dimensional manifold (the x-axis) in which the segment-of-arc length is given by some metric; for the sake of simplicity let's assume it is an Euclidean metric. So for any pair of points (a,b) on the x-axis, we have their distance is d_{a,b}=\sqrt{(a-b)^2}

Now let´s consider the compactification R\cup\{\infty\}.
I want to define a mapping f : R\cup\{\infty\} \rightarrow \mathcal{S}^1 or, why not, more generally as you suggested f : R\cup\{\infty\} \rightarrow \mathcal{S}^2. In both cases we would be mapping into circles.

The Möbius transformation I used, is indeed a (conformal) mapping of that kind, however it distorts the space.
I want to compare the transformed points by using a distance d' which is equivalent to the Euclidean one.

Two distances d and d' are said to be equivalent when for any two pairs of points (a,b) and (c,d):

d_{a,b}=d_{c,d} \Leftrightarrow d'_{a,b}=d'_{c,d}

In this sense the shortest-arc that I proposed, is not suitable!
BTW, if any conformal mapping (Möbius transformation) is a curvilinear coordinates system, shouldn't it be always possible to define arc-length, area elements, geodesics, etc...?
 
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That all sounds perfectly reasonable.

In order for a map to be defined as conformal both the range and domain must be Riemannian manifolds; so they certainly have geodesics, but they do not in general have a unique notion of distance, and hence arc-length or area. (You can always have a topological metric on any manifold, and hence a notion of arc-length, etc. - depending on your definition of manifold.)
 

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