Distinctiveness of the set of nxn matrices as a ring

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the ring of n x n matrices, particularly focusing on the existence of zero-divisors and the implications for matrix multiplication. Participants explore the distinction between the ring of matrices and integral domains, as well as the characteristics of subrings in relation to their parent rings.

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  • Some participants note that in the ring of n x n matrices, the product AB = 0 does not imply A = 0 or B = 0, contrasting this with the properties of integral domains.
  • Others explain that a ring is an integral domain if it has no zero-divisors, with 0 being the only zero-divisor, and provide examples like Z6 to illustrate this concept.
  • One participant questions why a subring does not necessarily share the same multiplicative identity as the larger ring, seeking clarification and examples.
  • Another participant provides an example of a subring where the multiplicative identity differs, specifically mentioning the set {0, 2, 4} as a subring of Z6.
  • A later reply introduces the fundamental theorem of linear algebra to discuss the implications of AB = 0 in terms of orthogonality between the row space of A and the column space of B.

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Participants express differing views on the properties of zero-divisors and the nature of subrings, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding these topics.

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Some statements about zero-divisors and the definitions of subrings depend on specific mathematical contexts and may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes assumptions about the existence of multiplicative identities and the structure of rings that are not fully explored.

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So I know that in general, for the ring of ##n \times n## matrices, if ##AB = 0##, then it is not necessarily true that ##A=0## or ##B=0##. However, in other rings, for example the integers ##\mathbb{Z}##, I know that this statement is true. So what property is the ring of matrices lacking such that it is not true in general?
 
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A ring is called an integral domain, if ##ab = 0 \Longrightarrow a=0 \vee b=0##. Elements ##a## for which there is an element ##b## with ##a \cdot b = 0## are called zero-divisors. So an integral domain is a ring without zero-divisors or more precisely: with ##0## as only zero-divisor. E.g. ##\mathbb{Z}_6## has also zero-divisors, namely ##2## and ##3##. (I'm not quite sure, whether ##0## is excluded in the definition of a zero-divisor or not. It's not really important, but "has no zero-divisors" is a usual phrase, so ##0## is probably excluded.)
 
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fresh_42 said:
A ring is called an integral domain, if ##ab = 0 \Longrightarrow a=0 \vee b=0##. Elements ##a## for which there is an element ##b## with ##a \cdot b = 0## are called zero-divisors. So an integral domain is a ring without zero-divisors or more precisely: with ##0## as only zero-divisor. E.g. ##\mathbb{Z}_6## has also zero-divisors, namely ##2## and ##3##. (I'm not quite sure, whether ##0## is excluded in the definition of a zero-divisor or not. It's not really important, but "has no zero-divisors" is a usual phrase, so ##0## is probably excluded.)
One more question. Why doesn't a subring necessarily have to have the same multiplicative identity as the bigger ring?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
One more question. Why doesn't a subring necessarily have to have the same multiplicative identity as the bigger ring?
Do you have an example? I can only think of examples like ##n\cdot \mathbb{Z} \subseteq \mathbb{Z}## where the subring has none.
In general, a multiplicative identity doesn't always exist. The multiplicative structure of a ring doesn't need to define a group structure, but if rings are compared like ring and subring and both have a ##1##, then it's usually required to be the same. At least the ##1## in the ring is also a ##1## in the subring, if it's included. If not, and the subring has another element as a ##1## it's getting a bit messy, since this one will act as a ##1## on certain elements of the ring as well - or you have completely different multiplicative structures, in which case one doesn't speak of a subring.
 
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Do you have an example? I can only think of examples like n⋅Z⊆Zn⋅Z⊆Zn\cdot \mathbb{Z} \subseteq \mathbb{Z} where the subring has none.

How about {0,2,4} as a subring of Z6. The multiplicative identity of the subring is 4.
 
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You can see this issue of AB=0 for matrices in terms of the fundamental theorem of linear algebra , re the orthogonality of the column space of A with the row space of B:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_linear_algebra

Basically , if A has rows ## a_1,a_2 ,..,a_n ## and B has columns ## b_1, b_2,.., b_n ## then you have that
## a_ i. b_j =0 ## for all ## 0 \leq i,j \leq n ## so that every row of A is orthogonal to every column of B . This implies, by linearity, that the row space of A is orthogonal to the column space of B and the column space of B is contained in the nullspace of A..
 

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