Distributing into a square root

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical operation of distributing expressions into a square root, particularly in the context of algebraic manipulation and integration. Participants explore how to handle expressions involving square roots and multiplication, with specific examples provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to multiply an expression like (2x-1)√(x-3x), questioning if it follows normal distribution rules.
  • Another participant states that a*√(b) can be expressed in multiple equivalent forms, suggesting a deeper understanding of square root properties.
  • A participant suggests testing the operation with numerical examples to illustrate the differences in manipulating square roots and products.
  • Concerns are raised about squaring expressions like (9y+1) when distributing under a square root, noting that this could lead to loss of information if the expression is negative.
  • One participant mentions the context of finding the area of a surface, referencing a specific formula involving an integral and a square root, indicating a practical application of the discussed concepts.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using parentheses for clarity in mathematical expressions, particularly in integrals involving square roots.
  • There is a suggestion that rewriting the integral expression as a single square root may depend on the function f(x) being used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the manipulation of square roots and the implications of squaring expressions. There is no consensus on the best approach to take, and some concerns about potential errors remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of context when manipulating expressions, particularly regarding the implications of squaring negative values and the meaning of the square root symbol. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with algebraic concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in algebra, mathematical manipulation of expressions, and applications in calculus may find this discussion relevant.

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Its been a while since I have taken any kind of math class, I am a bit rusty in general algebra. Can someone explain how I would multiply an equation like this

(2x-1)sqrtof x-3x

is it just like normal distribution? Would I just put the answer underneath the square root?
sqrt2x^2-6x^2-x+3x?
 
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all of these things are equal:

a*sqrt(b) = sqrt(a*a) * sqrt(b) = sqrt(a*a*b)
 
camel-man said:
Its been a while since I have taken any kind of math class, I am a bit rusty in general algebra. Can someone explain how I would multiply an equation like this

(2x-1)sqrtof x-3x

is it just like normal distribution? Would I just put the answer underneath the square root?
sqrt2x^2-6x^2-x+3x?

To figure something like this out, try it with regular old numbers.

For example 5 \sqrt{4} = 5 * 2 = 10.

But if you just put the 5 under the square root sign to make it sqrt(5*2) = sqrt(10), then that's not the same thing as 10 so you can't do that.

Why not? Well, \sqrt{a^2b^2} = ab, right? That's because

(ab)2 = a2b2.

So, what's the fix? If we have 5 * sqrt(4) we can put the 5 under the radical by squaring it:

5 \sqrt{4} = \sqrt{5^2*4} = \sqrt{100} = 10 as it should be.
 
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Ok so let me know if I am the right track if I have (9y+1)sqrt 82
i just square 9y+1 and put it under the square root with 82 and then times them both together?
 
camel-man said:
Ok so let me know if I am the right track if I have (9y+1)sqrt 82
i just square 9y+1 and put it under the square root with 82 and then times them both together?

Yes, but now you have to be careful. If 9y+1 is negative, squaring it will lose information. So this depends on the context.

In other words it is not always true that \sqrt{x^2} = x. That's because the meaning of the square root symbol is the positive number that squares to what's under the radical. So if you start with x = -5, you'll end up introducing an error.

Why do you want to put this expression under the radical? In general, doing so will change the meaning and introduce an error.
 
Ahh I see well I am finding the area of a surface and I need to distribute this expression into the square root due to the formula I was given

A= 2pi integral from a to b f(x)sqrt 1+ f(x) prime^2

that is the forumula that I have to use
 
I think you mean "f(x)sqrt(1+ f(x) prime^2)". Please use parentheses!

\int_a^b f(x)\sqrt{1+ f'^2(x)}dx

Yes, you can write that as
\int_a^b \sqrt{f^2(x)(1+ f'^2(x))}dx

Whether that is a good idea or not depends upon f.
 

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