Distributive Properties of the Determinate

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The discussion revolves around the distributive properties of the determinant in linear algebra, specifically addressing the confusion regarding how these properties are defined and applied. Participants explore different interpretations of what is meant by the distributive property in relation to determinants, including potential misconceptions and the need for clarification on definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on the distributive property of the determinant, indicating a lack of access to their linear algebra resources.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that "det(b + c) = det(b) + det(c)" is true, asserting that this is not a valid property of determinants.
  • There is a suggestion that the participant might be referring to the property "det(AB) = det(A)det(B)," which is noted as not typically being classified as distributive.
  • A participant references a link to a previous discussion for further context on the topic.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the terminology used in relation to the determinant and its properties, finding it peculiar.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between row operations and the computation of determinants, suggesting a connection to the associativity of matrices and the transformation of matrices to row echelon form.
  • A request for a proof that directly applies the definition of the determinant is made, indicating a desire for a more foundational understanding of the properties being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the definition and application of the distributive properties of the determinant. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain, particularly regarding the terminology and the properties being referenced.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity in the definitions being used, and participants express uncertainty about the classification of certain properties of determinants. The discussion also highlights a potential misunderstanding of the term "distributive" as it relates to determinants.

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I don´t have my linear algebra books with me and I forget how the distributive property of the determinate is proven. Can someone point me to a good link_
 
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What distributive property are you talking about? The distributive property is a(b+ c)= ab+ ac. Where are you putting the determinant in that? If you are thinking "det(b+ c)= det(b)+ det(c)", that's simply not true.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What distributive property are you talking about? The distributive property is a(b+ c)= ab+ ac. Where are you putting the determinant in that? If you are thinking "det(b+ c)= det(b)+ det(c)", that's simply not true.

Distributive with respect to multiplication.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Do you mean "Det(AB)= det(A)det(B)"? That's now what I would call "distributive".

You might look at
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=94344

That's what they called it at mathworld.

The definition of the determinate is:

[tex]a=\sum_{j_1...j_n}(-1)^ka_{1j_1}a_{2j_2}...a_{nj_n}[/tex]

where the sum is taken over all permutations of [tex]\{j_1...j_n\}[/tex] and k=0 for even permutations and k=1 for odd permutations.
 
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Yes, they do call it that! If find that very peculiar.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, they do call it that! If find that very peculiar.

I was thinking of this argument today. Given you can compute the determinate by row operations then it seems apparent given the associativity of matrices that first reducing one matrix to reduced row echelon form via row operations and then the other via row operations;

is equivalent to taking the composition of the two matrices which reduce the matricies for which the determinate is bing computed to row echelon form and then applying this transformation to the product of the matrix product for which the determinate is being computed.

However, I was hoping for a proof which directly applied the definition of the determinate.
 

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