Disturbing Equilibrium: Effects of Adding Hydrogen on I2 Concentration

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The discussion revolves around the effects of adding extra hydrogen to a chemical equilibrium system involving hydrogen iodide (HI), hydrogen (H2), and iodine (I2). Participants explore the implications of this addition on the concentrations of the substances involved and the behavior of the equilibrium constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adding hydrogen shifts the equilibrium to the left, increasing the concentration of HI and decreasing the concentration of I2.
  • Another participant counters that despite the addition of H2, its concentration remains higher than initially, which affects the equilibrium expression.
  • A third participant emphasizes the definition of the equilibrium constant, stating that it remains constant at equilibrium, regardless of changes in concentrations due to disturbances.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how equilibrium graphs reflect changes in concentrations and questions the apparent discrepancies in ratios before and after disturbances.
  • A later reply indicates that understanding the increase in H2 concentration clarifies the earlier confusion regarding the equilibrium ratios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the addition of hydrogen affects the equilibrium concentrations and the interpretation of equilibrium graphs. There is no consensus on the resolution of these issues, as confusion and debate persist.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of how equilibrium constants function and how they relate to graphical representations of concentration changes over time. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of equilibrium shifts and the behavior of the system.

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Homework Statement



What is the effect on the system below which is already at equilibrium if extra hydrogen was added? How is the amount of I2 different?


Homework Equations



2HI ⇔ H2 + I2

The Attempt at a Solution


I am finding effects the addition or removal of a substance at chemical equilibrium not making a lot of sense. To me it's contradicting, especially when you refer to graphs.

For example the solution to this would be: the system tries to oppose this change by removing this extra Hydrogen. It does this by favouring the reverse reaction, thus equilibrium shifts to the left, and there is now more Hydrogen Iodide than previous. The amountof I2 has decreased as it has been used to react with the extra H2 to form HI.

What i don't understand is how equilibrium constant doesn't change. How is this possible? If you have more HI and less I2, mathematical the concentration fraction will be less. This is observed on many equilibrium vs time graphs with adding or removing substances. It clearly does show a differing Kc value if you added all the concnetrations.
 
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storm13 said:
What i don't understand is how equilibrium constant doesn't change. How is this possible? If you have more HI and less I2, mathematical the concentration fraction will be less.

You forgot you still have more H2 - even if part was consumed, its concentration is still higher than it was initially. That means [H2][I2] is not lower than it was before hydrogen addition. Quite the opposite - it is larger.
 
storm13 said:
What i don't understand is how equilibrium constant doesn't change. How is this possible?

Well, that would be the definition of the word "constant" right? If it changed it wouldn't be "constant", would it?

At equilibrium, the concentration of the products divided by the concentration of the starting materials is constant.

Keq = [products]/[starting materials]

It's a definition that happens to be true. Just learn it and use it.
 
Yes I understand that's the rule and you have to learn it but i what i really don't understand is why the graphs don't reflect this. Am i missing something?

Graph 1 in the attachment : the ratio at Equilibrium before and after the disturbance are not equal, whereas in graph 2 they are??
 

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Your hint helped me. Thank you. I am pretty sure i understand it now. The left over bit of H2 would defintely make the difference. I had been playing around with the values on the graphs and realized i was making assumptions of all the values, which meant the ratio was different. But a key concept I was missing was that the H2 still did have an increase.

Your help is appreciated.
 

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