Divergence of the geometric Series at r=1

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The discussion revolves around the convergence and divergence of the geometric series, particularly focusing on the case when the common ratio \( r \) equals 1. Participants are exploring the implications of different values of \( r \) on the series' behavior.

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  • Some participants attempt to derive the Nth partial sum of the geometric series and analyze its behavior as \( r \) approaches 1. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the expression \( 0/0 \) and its implications for convergence. Others suggest considering the limit as \( r \) approaches 1 and the direct evaluation of the series when \( r = 1 \.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the behavior of the series at different values of \( r \). There is a mix of interpretations being explored, particularly concerning the limit and the nature of the series when \( r = 1 \.

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Participants note the importance of avoiding indeterminate forms like \( 0/0 \) and emphasize the need for careful consideration of the series' definition and behavior at boundary cases.

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Now for the proof of convergence/divergence of the geometric series we first deduce the Nth partial sum which is given by:

\frac{r(1-r^n)}{1-r}

Now for 0<r<1 this become \frac{1}{1-r} which clearly converges by AOL

At r>1 it's similarly obvious why it diverges.

But at r=1, I'm a bit confused. The text say's that it diverges but when I try to work it out I get:

1^n -&gt; 1

S_n = \frac{C*0}{1-1}

which measn S_n = 0 which is confusing as it seems to indicate convergence ?

Am I suppose to interpret 0/0 as implying divergence ?
 
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For a geometric series, |r|<1 for convergence. If r has any other value, including 1 and -1, the series diverges.

If you find the limit at r=1, you will get a/(1-1)=a/0=∞, hence the series diverges.
 
sid9221 said:
Now for the proof of convergence/divergence of the geometric series we first deduce the Nth partial sum which is given by:

\frac{r(1-r^n)}{1-r}

Now for 0<r<1 this become \frac{1}{1-r} which clearly converges by AOL

At r>1 it's similarly obvious why it diverges.

But at r=1, I'm a bit confused. The text say's that it diverges but when I try to work it out I get:

1^n -&gt; 1

S_n = \frac{C*0}{1-1}

which measn S_n = 0 which is confusing as it seems to indicate convergence ?

Am I suppose to interpret 0/0 as implying divergence ?

You are supposed to avoid 0/0 like the plague. The point is that in the LIMIT as r --> 1, the sum r/(1-r) --> infinity. Of course, you can also write down the sum directly when r = 1, to see that S = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + ... does not have a finite value.

RGV
 
What you should learn from this is "Don't just use formulas thoughtlessly- think!

If r= 1, then the sum is \sum_{i=0}^\infty a(1)^n= a+ a+ a+ \cdot\cdot\cdot. The nth partia series is na so that clearly does not converge.

If r= -1, then the sum is \sum_{i= 0}^\infty a(-1)^n= a- a+ a- a+ \cdot\cdot\cdot. The nth partial series is a if n is odd, 0 if n is even so, again, that does not converge.
 

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