Dividing a Quadrilateral into Equal Parts

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The discussion revolves around the problem of dividing a quadrilateral ABCD into two parts of equal area by constructing a line through a point P located on side AD. Participants explore various approaches and connections to similar geometric problems.

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  • One participant presents the problem of dividing quadrilateral ABCD into two equal areas using a line through point P on AD.
  • Another participant introduces a historical anecdote about hidden messages, suggesting there may be deeper implications or nuances in the problem statement.
  • A participant suggests treating the quadrilateral as a pentagon PABCD with a specific angle at P, proposing a method to construct a triangle with equal area to the quadrilateral and subsequently bisecting it to find the desired line.
  • Another participant reiterates the previous suggestion about the pentagon approach and expresses a desire to provide a diagram to illustrate the construction, indicating a connection to the earlier discussion on transforming a pentagon into a triangle of equal area.

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Participants express various methods and ideas, but no consensus is reached on a single approach to solve the problem. Multiple competing views and methods remain present in the discussion.

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Some participants reference previous discussions on related geometric problems, indicating potential dependencies on earlier assumptions or methods that may not be fully resolved in this thread.

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ABCD is a quadrilateral,and point P is a point on AD ,and

between points A and D

please construct a line (passing through point P),and

divide ABCD into two parts with equal area
 
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Re: quadrilateral

Do you know how Russian revolutionaries in the beginning of the 20th century wrote letters to their comrades from tsarist prisons? They would use milk to write hidden messages between the lines. (Yes, apparently, at that time, they served milk in prisons.) When milk was dry, it was invisible, but by holding the letter over a candle, the hidden message could be revealed. I have a feeling that something is written between the lines in this problem statement as well.

Edit: Apparently, the following is incorrect. There is no reason to believe that any line through the centroid cuts a quadrilateral into two parts with equal area.

Is it not the line that passes through P and the centroid? As Wikipedia helpfully reminds, the centroid can be found by constructing the centroid of triangles into which the quadrilateral is divided by diagonals.
 
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Re: quadrilateral

This strikes me as an extension of the http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f28/change-pentagon-into-triangle-equal-area-5486/.

[sp]Regard the quadrilateral ABCD as being a pentagon PABCD, with a $180^\circ$ angle at P. Then apply the construction in comment #6 in the pentagon thread. This gives a triangle with its apex at P, whose opposite edge (ST say) contains the edge BC of the quadrilateral, and which has the same area as the quadrilateral. Now bisect ST to get a point Q on BC. The line PQ will bisect the triangle and will therefore also bisect the quadrilateral.

I would include a diagram if I had time, but I expect Albert can provide one. (Smile)[/sp]
 
Re: quadrilateral

Opalg said:
This strikes me as an extension of the http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f28/change-pentagon-into-triangle-equal-area-5486/.

[sp]Regard the quadrilateral ABCD as being a pentagon PABCD, with a $180^\circ$ angle at P. Then apply the construction in comment #6 in the pentagon thread. This gives a triangle with its apex at P, whose opposite edge (ST say) contains the edge BC of the quadrilateral, and which has the same area as the quadrilateral. Now bisect ST to get a point Q on BC. The line PQ will bisect the triangle and will therefore also bisect the quadrilateral.

I would include a diagram if I had time, but I expect Albert can provide one. (Smile)[/sp]
yes the construction of the diagram is similar to the pentagon problem
now ! here is the diagram
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/1002._xfImport
 

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