Division algorithm for polynomials

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The discussion revolves around the division algorithm for polynomials, specifically exploring the relationship between polynomials of the form x^M - 1 and x^N - 1, where M and N are positive integers with M > N. Participants are tasked with finding the polynomials q and r that satisfy the division algorithm in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the polynomial equation and consider the implications of polynomial degrees. There is an exploration of the roots of the polynomial and the identification of factors. Some participants question how to proceed after establishing certain polynomial forms.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen various attempts to manipulate the polynomial expressions and clarify the roles of q and r. Some participants have provided hints and guidance, while others have expressed uncertainty about the next steps. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning have been suggested.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the division algorithm for polynomials and are navigating the complexities of polynomial degrees and factors. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge in determining the correct forms of q and r without fully resolving the problem.

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M and N are positive integers with M>N. The division algorithm for integers tells us there exists integers Q and R such that M=QN+R with 0[tex]\leq[/tex]R<N. The division algorithm for real polynomials tells us that there exist real polynomials q and r such that xM - 1 = q(xN - 1) + r with r = 0 or deg r < N. Find q and r.

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I have rewritten it as xQN+R - 1 = q(xN - 1) + r, so I think q must be of degree QN+R-N = N(Q-1)+R

However, it is not then always (in fact more likely not) true that N(Q-1)+R<N so 1 must have more than 1 term. But I am struggling to know where to go from here.

Thanks for any help :)
 
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Take p(x) = xm - 1. What are the roots of p(x)? There is a clearly a root, 1, so x-1 is a factor. Now divide p(x) by x-1.
 
So I get to

xM-1 + xM-2 + ... + 1 = q(xM-1 + xM-2 + ... + 1) + r

But I don't know what to do now?
 
You are trying to figure out q and r in: xM - 1 = q(xN - 1) + r

You are aware that x-1 is a factor, which is clearly of the form xN - 1 (N=1). That gives you a hint on what the degree of r is.
You have also correctly identified the polynomial q(x) = 1 + x + x2 + .. + xm-1. So what is (x-1)q(x)? Does this give you your original polynomial xM - 1? So then what is r?
 
Why don't you use the division algorithm? Practice on something like x^14-1=q(x^3-1)+r. It's actually pretty easy. You just have to replace the numbers with M, Q, R and N.
 
Sorted! Thanks for all the help :)
 

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