DIY Particle Accelerator (with magnetic ball)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and functioning of a DIY particle accelerator utilizing magnetic forces to accelerate a magnetic ball in a circular path. Participants explore the challenges faced by the original poster (OP) regarding the behavior of the magnetic ball when a continuous current is applied to the coil, leading to oscillation and eventual stopping of the ball.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The OP describes their project and the issue of the magnetic ball oscillating and stopping when a continuous current is applied to the coil.
  • One participant suggests that the OP may not be seeking help but rather showcasing their project.
  • The OP clarifies that they are using a finished project as a guide and seeks a deeper understanding of why the electromagnet pulls the ball from either side.
  • Another participant explains that the phenomenon is related to the physical effect behind a solenoid actuator, where a divergent magnetic field attracts ferrous materials into regions of higher magnetic field concentration.
  • There are suggestions that additional sensors may be needed to detect the ball's position and control the electromagnet's current accordingly.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the need to time the magnets' activation to ensure they turn on and off at the right moments as the ball approaches.
  • One participant discusses the dynamics of the ball's interaction with the magnet, suggesting that the magnet should be off until the ball is close to the next magnet to avoid slowing down the ball unnecessarily.
  • A later reply expresses concern that the OP may have lost interest in the discussion, despite the interesting physics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the OP's understanding of the project and the nature of the problem. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the issues faced by the OP, and multiple competing suggestions are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the OP's initial explanation and the assumptions made by participants regarding the level of coordination and control in the project. The effectiveness of proposed solutions remains uncertain.

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Hi, currently I am working on a particle accelerator. In the project, basically, by the magnetic force generated by the coil, the magnetic ball is accelerated in a circular path. I first thought that giving current all the time to the coil wouldn't cause problems. However, as it turned out if the current is given to the coil continuously, the magnetic ball oscillates and eventually stops ( at 3:44). I couldn't understand why it happens, any help is appreciated.
 
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You have answered the question by yourself in the video, which makes me think you didn't really get here looking for help, but just to show your project.

Nice one.
 
Well, you clearly didn't understand the question. I am still doing my project, the project you see in the video belongs to Hyperspace Pirate YouTube channel and it is a FINISHED project (probably I should have emphasized it more). I liked his project and as a guide, I am using his project. I added a video link in case I couldn't explain my problem very well. In his video, he says "Because the electromagnet will always pull it in from either side", clearly you found this a comprehensive explanation, but I didn't. My question is still there. Why electromagnet pull it in from either side? What is the physical explanation of it?
 
acun said:
Well, you clearly didn't understand the question.
I misunderstood it as well. Huh.

acun said:
My question is still there. Why electromagnet pull it in from either side? What is the physical explanation of it?
It is the physical effect behind a solenoid actuator. A divergent magnetic field will attract a ferrous piece of material into the higher concentration region of the B-field in the solenoid.

https://www.doeeet.com/content/eee-components/passives/solenoids-explained/

https://science.howstuffworks.com/solenoid.htm

So to make a "particle accelerator" like this work, you will need some extra sensors to detect where the balls are, and turn on the attractive solenoid current (and resulting divergent magnetic field) as the ball approaches, and switch the current off around the time when the ball is passing through the middle of the coil.

Does that make more sense now? :smile:
 
berkeman said:
you will need some extra sensors
Or you need to time the magnets to turn on and off at the right times, and then roll the ball with the right speed.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Or you need to time the magnets to turn on and off at the right times, and then roll the ball with the right speed.
You are assuming *way* too much coordination on my part...!
 
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I hate to provide too much help, especially since the OP was a) unclear, and b) got all huffy about it, as if it were out fault. However, consider one magnet. When the ball is rolling towards the magnet, and the magnet is on, the ball will feel the force towards the magnet and speed up. Then, when it passes the magnet, it will again feel a force towards the magnet, and slow down.

You want the magnets off for this, until the ball gets closer to the next magnet in the chain, then you can turn it on again. This is most easily accomplished with a low frequency AC source and a half-wave rectifier.

There is lots more that can be said, but it is the OPs project, not mine.
 
Pity the OP seems to have lost interest. The physics of making this work has some interesting aspects to it. Oh well.
 

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