DIY Vacuuming at Home - 75+% Efficiency

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a vacuum at home without sophisticated equipment, specifically targeting a vacuum level of 75% or better. Participants explore various methods, costs, and the characteristics of vacuum pressure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about achieving a vacuum at home without advanced hardware, aiming for at least 75% efficiency.
  • Another participant questions the definitions of 100% and 75% vacuum, seeking clarification on what vacuum level is desired in terms of pressure.
  • Some participants suggest that achieving a vacuum similar to that in space is not feasible with simple home methods.
  • A participant proposes using a rotary pump to achieve low pressures, but notes that even this is likely to exceed a $100 budget.
  • Alternative methods are suggested, such as using a venturi pump or a simple experiment with a coke can and boiling water to create a vacuum effect.
  • One participant humorously mentions using a straw to create a vacuum.
  • Another participant reflects on the historical methods of evacuating cathode ray tubes, suggesting they may have used getters like barium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and methods for achieving a vacuum at home. There is no consensus on a specific approach or the definitions of vacuum levels discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact pressure levels associated with different vacuum percentages and the limitations of their proposed methods based on budget constraints.

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I am curious how cam i make vacuum at home without having any sophisticated hardware.
Not asking for 100% vacuum just 75+% at least.
 
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What are 100% and 75% vacuum?

Zz.
 
100% empty of matter. I don't mean precicly i need 75+% vacuum i just ment it must be as empty as it possible can be made at home.
 
Anekdot said:
100% empty of matter. I don't mean precicly i need 75+% vacuum i just ment it must be as empty as it possible can be made at home.

No one has achieved 100% "empty matter". That still doesn't tell me what "75%" is. What vacuum level do you want in terms of the pressure?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
No one has achieved 100% "empty matter". That still doesn't tell me what "75%" is. What vacuum level do you want in terms of the pressure?
Okay forget about all % just best vacuum i can get at home, i really not shysicist and not really aware of vacuum characteristics like pressure, i need pressure to be about same as in space vacuum.
 
Anekdot said:
Okay forget about all % just best vacuum i can get at home, i really not shysicist and not really aware of vacuum characteristics like pressure, i need pressure to be about same as in space vacuum.

Then it is not possible using what you wanted.

Zz.
 
What would be the cheapest way to make it possible?
 
Anekdot said:
What would be the cheapest way to make it possible?

A stainless steel, clean vacuum chamber, a combination of scroll pump, turbo pump and/or ion pump/cryopump, heating tapes, and lots of clean, UHV-approved (ultra-high vacuum) clean gloves for handling inside-vacuum parts, and maybe, just maybe, you'll get to 10^-10 Torr.

Those are not "cheap", and certainly doesn't cost less than $50,000. And I haven't included the cost of the controllers for those pumps yet and vacuum connectors/pipe, and flanges. And when I said "clean vacuum chamber", I mean clean with citrinox in an ultrasonic bath.

Zz.
 
I only got 100$ for this, what vacuum i can make for this?
 
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Using just an ordinary rotary pump (essentially the same type of pump that is used to pimp e.g. water) you can get down to less than a 1/1000 of atmospheric pressure. However, even a rotary pump is more expensive than $100.

If you just want to play around with low pressures you can always just try pumping with something else. Even a vacuum cleaner can be used to create a "vacuum", albeit a very bad one.
 
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.. or one can just suck on a straw...

Zz.
 
  • #12
You can get about 28" Hg (better than 90% vacuum) with a cheap venturi pump. If you look around, you might find a cheap, used one for $20 or so.
 
  • #13
75%? Is that like, remove three quarters of the air from a vessel? Probably doable.

The cheapest way to make a fun vacuum is like this: take an empty coke can, put a tablespoon or so of water in, hold it over the stove until it is boiling (the idea here is to fill the can up with water vapour, displacing all of the air), then [using long tongs, etc, your safety is your concern] lower the can upside-down into a sink-full of cold water. As the water vapour condenses, the can will be crumpled in a bang. :smile:

Another related method is just to take a long tube of some liquid, and invert it into a reservoir, like a mercury barometer (it works best with such a dense and low-volatility liquid).

A cheap pump will probably make a good enough vacuum for you to make marshmallows "breath". A lot depends on what you actually want the vacuum for.. I remember studying electric discharges in high school but being unable to produce our own cathode ray tubes. Makes me wonder how original cathode ray experiments were evacuated... but I presume it's only the modern cutting edge work that requires such expense to replicate.
 
  • #14
I suspect CRTs are evacuated using the same method as vacuum tubes, i.e. using a getter (e.g. barium).
 

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