Do all things occur according to logic?

[honestrosewater]

It is still somewhat predictable. Because I'm not choosing to take that evil class, but I am doing it anyway because my mom says so (and there is no arguing with her). So I am not choosing to take the class. I am not. I am instead choosing to to obey my mom and take it. It is not by my own freewill. I choose to obey my mom, not take the evil class. But if I choose to obey, then I must take the class. It is a must, not a freewill. (If freewill has nothing to do with our discussion, I apologize. I just posted a few posts in the freedom thread down in metaphysics.)

Okay, I think we can get through this together, even though we are admittedly not experts :) I wrote a VERY long post, but, after reading it, I think it’s best that we take this one step at a time.

“So I am not choosing to take the class. I am not. I am instead choosing to obey my mom and take it.”
You have contradicted yourself.
“I am not choosing to take the class... I am instead choosing to... take it[the class].”
See? Resolving this will take some work as there are many things that need to be clarified. If you do not think so, I hope the following will convince and motivate you.

1) I do not want to take the PE class.

is 1) true? Are each of the following true?

2) My mom has told me to take the PE class.
3) I want to obey my mom.
4) I always want to obey my mom.
5) I will not enjoy taking the PE class.
6) I will be alive tomorrow.
7) I think I will not enjoy taking the PE class.
8) If I think I will not enjoy taking a class, then I will not want to take it.
9) If I do what my mom has told me to do, then I have obeyed her.
10) If I intend to do what my mom has told me to do, then I have obeyed her.
11) Every sentence contains words.
12) The previous sentence contains contains.
13) 1+1=10.

I’m a poet, hence the lucky 13 ;)
If you are already past all of this, sorry, but I couldn’t tell. It seems like you are either just beginning to study logic or just writing hastily. If you are just beginning to study logic, I hope this doesn’t intimidate you. Though there are several steps, every step is “easy”. And it’s best to start “at the beginning” in order to avoid stepping in sh*t.
Happy thoughts
Rachel

 

[Imparcticle]

“So I am not choosing to take the class. I am not. I am instead choosing to obey my mom and take it.”
You have contradicted yourself.
“I am not choosing to take the class... I am instead choosing to... take it[the class].”
See? Resolving this will take some work as there are many things that need to be clarified. If you do not think so, I hope the following will convince and motivate you.

Yes, I see my error. It was a product of hastiness, and my stubborness to admit there was an error. Thank you for correcting me.

1) I do not want to take the PE class.

True.

2) My mom has told me to take the PE class.
3) I want to obey my mom.
4) I always want to obey my mom.
5) I will not enjoy taking the PE class.

All of the above are true.

6) I will be alive tomorrow.

That is not 100% true, but it is 99.99% true. There is always the chance that I will not.

7) I think I will not enjoy taking the PE class.
8) If I think I will not enjoy taking a class, then I will not want to take it.
9) If I do what my mom has told me to do, then I have obeyed her.
10) If I intend to do what my mom has told me to do, then I have obeyed her.

True to all.

11) Every sentence contains words.

According to that deduction, the mathematical sentence "7+7=14" are words. Unless, my usage of "mathematical" makes an exception?

12) The previous sentence contains contains.

That is one of my pet peeves (grammar errors). There is a grammar error here: The sentence should be "The previous sensetce contains 'contains'". A logical analysis I dare say. But don't mind me in this; I have to correct such things or I'll just go nuts.

 

[honestrosewater]

1) I do not want to take the PE class.

is 1) true? Are each of the following true?

2) My mom has told me to take the PE class.
3) I want to obey my mom.
4) I always want to obey my mom.
5) I will not enjoy taking the PE class.
6) I will be alive tomorrow.
7) I think I will not enjoy taking the PE class.
8) If I think I will not enjoy taking a class, then I will not want to take it.
9) If I do what my mom has told me to do, then I have obeyed her.
10) If I intend to do what my mom has told me to do, then I have obeyed her.
11) Every sentence contains words.
12) The previous sentence contains contains.
13) 1+1=10.

99.99% is not an option. But- how can you be 100% certain that you will not enjoy taking the PE class, while being only 99.99% sure that you will be alive tomorrow?

They cannot all be true- they contradict each other.
If you want to obey your mom, and your mom has told you to take the PE class- then you want to take the PE class. You want to take it because you want to obey your mom.
But you said 1 was true.
8 and 7 lead to 1.
3 and 4 are different- the point is that you sometimes need to be specific in this regard- always, sometimes, this time only, never, etc.
9 and 10 are different- when have you obeyed your mom? When you decide to do what she says, or when you actually do it? If you die before you can do what she has said, have you disobeyed her?
if 12 is incorrect then 11 is incorrect, for the same reason. "Every sentence contains words" can be taken to mean "Every sentence contains "words"", which is clearly not true. Every sentence does not contain the word "words".
13 depends on the context, as do all of these.

Do you see where I'm going with all this? Logicians have developed lots of rules, and with good reason (hehe, nope unintended) -to avoid misunderstandings and mistakes like these. It takes a while to learn all the rules, and I was hoping this would encourage you to give it a go.
I suspect you would be especially interested in this
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm
though you may have to backtrack on a few of them, they're quite enlightening ;) There is plenty of material online. And if you have questions, well, I don't have to tell you where to turn :)

Happy thoughts
Rachel