Do Atoms Age? The Truth Behind the Lifespan of Atoms

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter aditya23456
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Age Atoms
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether atoms age and the implications of time at the atomic scale compared to larger scales. Participants explore the nature of time, entropy, and the behavior of atoms in relation to these concepts, touching on quantum mechanics and thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the idea that atoms do not age, suggesting that the concept of aging may not apply to atoms in the same way it does to larger systems.
  • One participant clarifies that a stable atom does not decay and thus does not experience aging in the traditional sense, while noting that atoms can decay if they are radioactive.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the "arrow of time" and questions why it becomes significant at larger scales, proposing that entropy might be a factor.
  • A participant challenges the premise by comparing the behavior of atoms to a volume of water in an insulated container, questioning the significance of time at different scales.
  • There is a suggestion that atoms do travel in time, but their time scale is much smaller compared to human perception, implying that larger populations of atoms might exhibit different behaviors over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the aging of atoms and the significance of time at the atomic scale versus larger scales. No consensus is reached regarding the implications of entropy and the arrow of time.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts from quantum mechanics and thermodynamics, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between atomic behavior and the arrow of time.

aditya23456
Messages
114
Reaction score
0
Do atoms age??

I ve read in many articles that most of the atoms which we see are made initially during big bang..And most of them concluded that atoms won't age..Is it true?
 
Physics news on Phys.org


Will you please clarify your question?What do you mean by "atoms won't age"?
 


that means atom won't travel in time..the set of events which happen at quantum scale can,t be stated at what time they happen..I m not sure but kinda similar to that
 


What do you mean by "travel in time"? An atom which is present now will be present one minute later (unless it happens to decay or to undergo fusion or whatever), did it "travel in time"?

A proton which was generated after the Big Bang and did not fuse with other atoms or got destroyed in other ways is still the same proton, without any ageing.
 


You might be confusing atoms with photons. Photons do not age in the sense that, in the "limit approximation" of the frame of rest of the photon, the space in the direction of travel is contracted to 0, so the photon reaches its destination instantly. It experiences no time between launch and collision. Atoms do experience time, and so they can decay if they are in an excited state or are radioactive. But a stable atom doesn't have anything to decay to, so it doesn't really matter if it's a billion years old.
 


I guess I meant arrow of time which is not significant in atomic scale.Now my question modifies to why arrow of time becomes significant at higher scale..If entropy is ur answer,why entropy is not interested in quantum scales..? And where do this additional entropy come from..?
 


aditya23456 said:
I guess I meant arrow of time which is not significant in atomic scale.Now my question modifies to why arrow of time becomes significant at higher scale..If entropy is ur answer,why entropy is not interested in quantum scales..? And where do this additional entropy come from..?

This is a VERY strange premise.

Let's say you have a volume of water, in an adiabatically-insulated container. What is the change in entropy over time of that system? Since dQ/T is zero, there's no change in entropy, ya? Isn't this the same as your "atom"? Then are you claiming that the arrow of time is "not significant" for this volume of water as well? If yes, then why are we focusing ONLY on atoms? And haven't this falsified your argument that at higher scale, such a thing doesn't exist? After all, a volume of water is a significantly "higher scale" than an atom, no?

{scratching head}

Zz.
 


aditya23456 said:
that means atom won't travel in time..the set of events which happen at quantum scale can,t be stated at what time they happen..I m not sure but kinda similar to that
Atoms certainly do travel in time. Only their time scale is very tiny compared to our time scale. So in order to scale up you need something like drift in phase in a very large population of atoms or something like that.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K