Do Cosmologists Truly Believe in Their Theories?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the public perception of cosmological theories, particularly the big bang theory, and whether cosmologists truly believe in their theories as absolute truths. Participants explore the implications of how theories are communicated to the public and the understanding of the term "theory" within the scientific community versus lay interpretations. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and debates about the nature of scientific theories.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the public may blindly accept the big bang theory as an absolute truth without understanding its theoretical nature.
  • Others argue that the term "theory" is often misunderstood by the layperson, and that in science, theories are not considered absolute truths but rather frameworks for making predictions.
  • A participant suggests that the discussion may be more philosophical than physical, questioning the relevance of the original post to physics.
  • There is a contention about whether physicists believe their theories are absolute truths, with some asserting that no theory can be considered absolutely true.
  • One participant emphasizes that while theories can be tested, the nature of cosmological observations means they primarily deal with the past rather than the present.
  • Another participant points out that the responsibility for understanding scientific concepts lies with the public, suggesting that scientists should not be expected to educate those who are uninterested.
  • Some participants acknowledge that many people lack the time or inclination to study complex scientific topics, which complicates public understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the effectiveness of communication regarding scientific theories to the public and the implications of the term "theory." There is no consensus on how well the message that theories are not absolute truths is conveyed to laypeople.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the public's understanding of scientific theories and the expectations placed on scientists to communicate complex ideas effectively. The discussion also highlights the challenges in interpreting cosmological observations and the implications of theoretical models.

  • #31
Thanks for your comments Fredrik.I have never suggested that the fundamental claims are wrong and I would never do such a thing unless I could justify it, which I can't.Any implied suggestion otherwise was unintentional and it seems that perhaps I needed to be more careful with my wording.
I agree wholeheartedly with your second paragraph and this is precisely the thing I have been trying to get across.
I do not agree that I throw ignorance at my students and I teach the facts as I knew them.What is one to do,however,when you get the occasional student trying to bring religion into the argument.In my case I don't even go there and I will never argue against someones religion. I will go back to the physics I will stress that big bang is a theory and you can make of it what you will.I can't remember a single case when someone has objected to this and people do go away happy the majority finding the whole topic fascinating.I don't know what other strategies I could use without causing offence.
Thank you again.I found your comments to be constructive.
 
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who placed science on a "much higher pedestal " than "mere personal belief".
Well some people do. Back in the 40's, 50's, even 60's, the media portrayed scientists as heroes. There was a lot of popularization of science. Look at the popularity of Einstein and others.

However, science or rather the scientific method is supposed to be a rigorous process or application of logic, separate from prejudices, biases, and emotions. But humans, even those who practice science, are susceptible to prejudices, biases and emotions, and in some cases, dishonesty.

Belief is not necessarily rigorous, and in the extreme, is diametrically opposed to the scientific method, for instance when the belief continues/persists in the face of incontrovertibly contradictory evidence.

If people go away happy with the notion that 'a theory is just a theory', or 'only a theory', and their own misinterpretations are just as valid, if not moreso, then this is a disservice or diminution of science.

I think there are always niggling doubts, which are more about the completeness or incompleteness of a theory, rather than validity. On the other hand, we know we don't know everything, so one continues to test a theory and look for situations where the theory doesn't necessarily hold.

We're still looking for a GUT or TOE.
 
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What's kind of funny is that Dadfaces approach to teaching the layperson might be more effective, as long as the information itself is correct.

If someone holds a belief that contradicts a solid theory then there will probably be hesitation to accept the conclusions of that theory. It create's internal conflict that is irrelevant to understanding the concept. Saying "it's only a theory" downplays the effect the conclusion has on their belief. They can either dismiss or accept the results of the experiments and as Russ said, either choose to learn or not. This way they can come to terms with their beliefs at their own rate, rather than forcing the discussion into irrelevant areas.

Still not sure it's the right thing to do, but it's a lot easier to learn when you're happy and not frustrated.

Science looks for fact. When someone applies these facts to their beliefs they are looking for truth. Frustrating a person by challenging their beliefs will only make them defend those beliefs more fiercely, making the facts much more difficult to teach. The facts are forgotten and the truth is lost in the mix. A person who's identity isn't threatened will be more accepting of evidence. I know it can be difficult to dismiss terms like "It's only a theory", but for one sincere in the attempt to teach a layperson it's better not to take offense to it.
 
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