Do field homomorphisms preserve characteristic

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The discussion revolves around the existence of field homomorphisms between two fields, F and E, that have different characteristics. Participants are tasked with proving or disproving the statement that such homomorphisms cannot exist.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of field homomorphisms being injective and the relationship between the characteristics of the fields. There are attempts to apply the fundamental homomorphism theorem to reason about the characteristics of the fields involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of field characteristics and their implications for the existence of homomorphisms. There appears to be a productive exploration of the relationships between the characteristics of the fields, although not all points are fully resolved.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definition of 'field characteristic' and its role in the discussion. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify certain assumptions and definitions throughout the conversation.

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Homework Statement



Given two fields F,E with different characteristic. Prove or disprove the following statement: "Field homomorphisms between fields of different characteristic cannot exist"

Homework Equations


T : F1 --> F2 is a field homomorphism if
1) T(a+b) = T(a) + T(b)
2) T(ab) = T(a)T(b)
3) T(1) = 1
4) T(0) = 0.


The Attempt at a Solution


Intuition says no...

All field homorphisms are injective. So T:F --> E where F has bigger order than E cannot exist. On the other hand, if E has bigger order than F, F must contain an isomorphic copy of E.

Hmm, not sure where to go from here. Here is my attempt... Suppose we do have a hom from F to E where char E is bigger than char F. Then by the fundamental homomorphism theorem, F/kerT is isomomorphic to E. However since T is injective the kernel is trivial. Therefore F is isomorphic to E contradicting the assumption of different characteristic...
 
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icantadd said:

Homework Statement



Given two fields F,E with different characteristic. Prove or disprove the following statement: "Field homomorphisms between fields of different characteristic cannot exist"

Homework Equations


T : F1 --> F2 is a field homomorphism if
1) T(a+b) = T(a) + T(b)
2) T(ab) = T(a)T(b)
3) T(1) = 1
4) T(0) = 0.


The Attempt at a Solution


Intuition says no...

All field homorphisms are injective. So T:F --> E where F has bigger order than E cannot exist. On the other hand, if E has bigger order than F, F must contain an isomorphic copy of E.

Hmm, not sure where to go from here. Here is my attempt... Suppose we do have a hom from F to E where char E is bigger than char F. Then by the fundamental homomorphism theorem, F/kerT is isomomorphic to E. However since T is injective the kernel is trivial. Therefore F is isomorphic to E contradicting the assumption of different characteristic...

That is nonsense. Look up the definition of 'field characteristic'. Read it several times. Then look at your requirement T(1)=1.
 
Right read the definitions

[tex]T(1_{F1}) = 1_{F2}[/tex]
Thus,
[tex]T(n1_{F1}) = nT(1_{F1}) = n1_{F2}[/tex]
Thus suppose char(F1) = m,
[tex]T(m1_{F1}) = T(0) = 0 = mT(1_{F1}) = m1_{F2}[/tex]
Therefore, char(F2) <= m.
Suppose p < m satisfies [tex]p1_{F2} = 0[/tex].
Then,
[tex]T^{-1}(p1_{F2}) = T(0) = 0 = T^{-1}(p1_{F2}) = pT^{-1}(1_{F2}) = p1_{F1}[/tex]
Contradicting the minimality of m. Therefore, char(F2) = m.
 
P.s. thank you!
 
icantadd said:
Right read the definitions

[tex]T(1_{F1}) = 1_{F2}[/tex]
Thus,
[tex]T(n1_{F1}) = nT(1_{F1}) = n1_{F2}[/tex]
Thus suppose char(F1) = m,
[tex]T(m1_{F1}) = T(0) = 0 = mT(1_{F1}) = m1_{F2}[/tex]
Therefore, char(F2) <= m.
Suppose p < m satisfies [tex]p1_{F2} = 0[/tex].
Then,
[tex]T^{-1}(p1_{F2}) = T(0) = 0 = T^{-1}(p1_{F2}) = pT^{-1}(1_{F2}) = p1_{F1}[/tex]
Contradicting the minimality of m. Therefore, char(F2) = m.

Much better. You're welcome!
 

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