Do functions with complex parts differentiate/integrate like usual?

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The discussion centers around the differentiation and integration of functions that include complex components, specifically whether the rules of differentiation applicable to real functions also apply to complex functions. Participants explore the nuances and conditions under which these rules hold, referencing specific examples and theoretical concepts from complex analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if the derivative of the function f(x) = 3x² + 2ix is f'(x) = 6x + 2i, and whether complex differentiation follows the same rules as real differentiation.
  • Another participant notes that while there are analogs of differentiation rules in complex analysis, the process is more complex due to conditions like the Cauchy-Riemann equations, suggesting that the answer is not straightforward.
  • A participant requests examples to clarify the discussion, specifically mentioning the function f(z) = \bar{z} as one that does not have a complex derivative.
  • It is mentioned that the properties of differentiation depend on whether the function is from real numbers to complex numbers or from complex numbers to complex numbers, with differing implications for differentiation.
  • Another participant discusses the Gamma function and its derivative, indicating that it is defined in terms of the polygamma function for complex z and exists for z > 0.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding the definition of differentiation in the context of complex functions, emphasizing the distinction between real and complex linear approximations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of differentiation rules from real analysis to complex analysis, with some agreeing on the existence of analogs while others highlight significant differences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which complex differentiation can be applied.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clarity on the definitions of the functions involved, the specific domains of the functions, and the conditions required for complex differentiability. The discussion also touches on the complexity introduced by the nature of paths in complex space.

cmcraes
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To get straight to the point: If I have a function f(
x)= 3x2+2ix
Would f'(x)= 6x+2i?

More generally, does complex differentiation follow the same rules as normal differentiation? (Ie; power rule, quotient rule, product rule, chain rule etc.)
Thanks!
 
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There are analogs of the power/product/quotient rules in complex analysis, but, in general, differentiation and integration of complex functions is a bit more subtle (see, for instance, the Cauchy-Reimann equations). The answer to your question is yes with a "but", but the "but" is large enough that the answer is effectively "no".
 
Could you give me a quick example? Also is my example in the first post correct? Thanks :)
 
cmcraes said:
Could you give me a quick example?
##f(z) = \bar z## is the canonical example of a complex function that does not have a complex derivative.

For a real function f(x), a limit exists at some point a if both ##\lim_{x\to a_-}\, f(x)## and ##\lim_{x\to a_+} \, f(x)## exist and if these two one-sided limits are equal. With real functions, you have to worry about are two paths, one from below, the other from above. There are an uncountable number of paths in complex space along which z can approach some point a. This means that the mere existence of the complex derivative at some point places very strong conditions on the nature of the function.
 
cm, the properties of differentiation depend as much on the domain as the range of the function. For your example f(x) is x supposed to be a real number, or a complex number?

Because if you have a function f from reals to the complex numbers, then to differentiate it you can differentiate the complex and real parts as separate real differentiable functions, and everything in the theory works exactly as it does in the real to real case (this requires proving of course, but it's not particularly hard). If it's from the complex numbers to the complex numbers then things are significantly different even though superficially they appear the same
 
Okay I think I'm getting the jist of it, But could you, for example; differentiate the Gamma function Γ(z) on some continuous interval?
 
cmcraes said:
Okay I think I'm getting the jist of it, But could you, for example; differentiate the Gamma function Γ(z) on some continuous interval?

See this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_function

For complex z, the derivative of \Gamma(z) is defined in terms of the polygamma function \psi(z), and exists for z > 0.
 
it helps to actually define differentiation. for a function like the one you gave first, the derivative means the best real linear approximation. this is computed exactly as you said.

but for a complex valued function of a complex variable, the complex derivative means the best complex linear approximation (in a precise sense of best).

since "zbar" is real linear but not complex linear, it has a real derivative but not a complex derivative.

in Riemann's treatment he expressed the real derivative in terms of dz and dzbar, and called a function complex differentiable if the dzbar part was zero.

I have explained this in excruciating detail in a long post somewhere here.

maybe this thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=563301&highlight=dzbar
 

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