Do I Need a 4 Year Degree to Get into MIT or Harvard?

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The discussion revolves around the requirements for admission into top U.S. universities like MIT or Harvard for graduate studies in physics, specifically whether a 4-year honors undergraduate program is necessary compared to a 3-year program. Participants also touch on the duration of MSc and PhD programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a 3-year undergraduate program with good marks would suffice for admission to top universities, or if a 4-year honors program is required.
  • Another participant suggests that completing a 4-year program may be beneficial, emphasizing the importance of understanding the material and engaging in undergraduate research, potentially supported by scholarships.
  • A participant mentions that for graduate admissions in math and CS at UFT, only marks from the second-last year are considered, implying that a 4-year program could provide more opportunities to enhance academic records.
  • There is a suggestion that taking summer courses could allow a student to complete a 4-year program in 3 years, although this is questioned in terms of its effectiveness compared to gaining research experience during the summers.
  • Another participant argues that gaining research experience during summers is a more valuable investment than taking additional classes.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of a 4-year program versus a 3-year program, with some advocating for the additional year for better preparation and opportunities, while others suggest that research experience may be more beneficial than additional coursework.

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There are assumptions regarding the importance of undergraduate research and the specific admission criteria of graduate programs that remain unverified. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of summer courses versus research experience.

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I'll be starting my physics program next week at U of Toronto but I am debating one thing, to get accepted into a top university in the USA ( mit or harvard ) for graduate studies, would i require to take a 4 year honors program or will a 3 year program suffice with good enough marks?

As a side note, how long does it take to get a Msc and a Phd (average)

thanks
 
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4 years at UFT...unless your able to cram all those requirements at UFT into 3 years(which includes summerschool)..though people would say take your time to completely understand what you are learning, doing undergrad research would probably be a plus(especially if you can obtain one fo those NSERC undergrad scholarships for the summer).

MSc(1yr-1.66yr),Phd(2.5-3)..total almost 5 years after undergrad
 
I'm not in Physics, myself, but I recommend taking the extra fourth year.

I don't know about Physics, but for UFT math and CS, the Grad Schools generally only have access to your marks from your *second-last* year -- so if you only take 3 years, they'll be looking at your second year marks.

If you take 4 years, you'll be able to take numerous extra courses, and spread out your workload and degree sufficiently.
 
how about summer courses? if i do a 4 year programme in 3 years that will allow me 3 summers to take courses. wouldn't it be even it out?
 
matthieulabelle said:
how about summer courses? if i do a 4 year programme in 3 years that will allow me 3 summers to take courses. wouldn't it be even it out?

IT is a more wise investment to spend your summers getting research experience than it is to take classes.
 

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