Do Luminous Objects Create Light?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a luminous object and the implications of the Conservation of Energy in relation to light production. Participants explore the nuances of what it means for an object to "produce" light versus "emit" light, considering both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant challenges the definition of a luminous object by arguing that the term "produces" implies the creation of light, which could violate the Conservation of Energy.
  • Another participant questions whether a light bulb, as a luminous object, produces light, suggesting a need for clarity in definitions.
  • A different view suggests that while luminous objects do emit light, they convert non-luminous forms of energy into photons, thus preserving the Conservation of Energy.
  • Some participants emphasize the distinction between luminous and reflecting objects as a critical aspect of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of luminous objects and the implications of energy conservation. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the term "produces" versus "emits," indicating an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Conservation of Energy and its implications for light production, but the discussion does not resolve the definitions or assumptions involved in these concepts.

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My physics teacher was teaching us about light and one of the definitions we have to learn is that of a luminous object. He said the definition is, "Any object that PRODUCES its own light and is seen directly as a result of this light."

However, I then said that surely his definition is wrong as the Conservation of Energy states that, "Energy cannot be CREATED or destroyed." Therefore in his definition the word produces implies the creation of light, which is a form of energy and therefore would violate the Conservation of Energy.

Would a more appropriate definition keeping close to his wording be, "Any object which emits light and is seen directly as a result of this light"

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AL
 
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Are you saying a light bulb produces no light?
 
We more or less take the conservation of energy for granted in all but relativistic situations.
In any 'luminous' object there must be some energy transfer going on. This can be chemical-light or electrical - light but this is assumed, I think

I don't think you need to worry about your teacher's actual wording. It isn't critical, really.
The only important distinction is between luminous and reflecting objects.
 
rollcast said:
My physics teacher was teaching us about light and one of the definitions we have to learn is that of a luminous object. He said the definition is, "Any object that PRODUCES its own light and is seen directly as a result of this light."

However, I then said that surely his definition is wrong as the Conservation of Energy states that, "Energy cannot be CREATED or destroyed." Therefore in his definition the word produces implies the creation of light, which is a form of energy and therefore would violate the Conservation of Energy.

Would a more appropriate definition keeping close to his wording be, "Any object which emits light and is seen directly as a result of this light"

Thanks
AL
The object is indeed producing light. (The photons did not exist prior to the object becoming luminous).
What it is not necessarily doing is producing energy.

It is converting non-luminous forms of energy into photons.

So, CoE is preseved, even though plenty of photons are being produced.
 

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