Do massive objects in space act as gyroscopes?

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The discussion explores whether massive objects in space, such as neutron stars and black holes, exhibit gyroscopic behavior due to their rotation and gravitational forces. Participants examine concepts of angular momentum, torque, and precession, considering both theoretical implications and specific examples like the Earth and its precession.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether massive objects in space have precision movement due to gravitational forces acting equally in all directions, suggesting this might result in no net torque.
  • Another participant asserts that angular momentum is conserved in space and notes that while gravity can be uniform, some objects like the Earth do precess due to non-uniform gravitational influences.
  • A participant mentions the Gravity Probe B satellite experiment as a relevant resource for understanding these concepts.
  • There is a discussion about why the Earth does not experience equal gravitational pull in all directions, with references to the effects of the Moon and Sun on Earth's shape and gravitational field.
  • One participant elaborates on the Earth's oblate spheroid shape and how tidal forces from the Moon and Sun contribute to its precession.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of gravitational forces and their effects on precession, with some agreeing on the influence of non-uniform gravity while others question the implications of uniform gravitational pull. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall precision movement of massive objects in space.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific phenomena such as the Earth's precession and the role of external gravitational bodies, but there is no consensus on the broader implications for all massive objects in space. The discussion includes assumptions about gravitational uniformity and its effects on torque.

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I just learned about gyroscopes and their precision this year in Physics. I was just curious since massive objects in space tend to rotate around their own axes and have considerable gravitational forces, do they have a precision movement?

I understand the momentum vector will naturally want to move towards the torque vector But since gravity pulls on every direction of the space-time continuum with equal force, that torque would have a net force of zero, right? Therefore no precision?

And in cases of extremely fast spinning such as neutron stars and black holes...is there an abnormality in precession?
 
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Angular momentum is conserved in space, just as it is here. For example, neutron stars spin so quickly because their radius has decreased. Also, your reasoning, that a uniform pull of gravity in all directions means no precession, is correct. However, some spinning objects in space do precess, such as the Earth. That's because gravity is not uniform in all directions on the Earth. The Earth's axis shifts about 1 degree every 72 years, just like a giant gyroscope.
 
zewpals said:
I just learned about gyroscopes and their precision this year in Physics. I was just curious since massive objects in space tend to rotate around their own axes and have considerable gravitational forces, do they have a precision movement?

I understand the momentum vector will naturally want to move towards the torque vector But since gravity pulls on every direction of the space-time continuum with equal force, that torque would have a net force of zero, right? Therefore no precision?

And in cases of extremely fast spinning such as neutron stars and black holes...is there an abnormality in precession?

Hi zewpals!

You may wish to learn about the Gravity Probe B satellite experiment, especially their Spacetime and Spin page.

After that you may be interested in the PF thread Alternative theories being tested by Gravity Probe B.

Happy reading!

Garth
 
Archosaur,
Yes I was familiar with the precession of the Earth but I never really connected it with being a gyroscope haha. Why does the Earth not pull in all directions equally? Is it because other massive bodies further away, such as the sun, pull back?
 
zewpals said:
Archosaur,
Yes I was familiar with the precession of the Earth but I never really connected it with being a gyroscope haha. Why does the Earth not pull in all directions equally? Is it because other massive bodies further away, such as the sun, pull back?

Well, the Earth is an oblate spheroid and not completely spherical, it has an equatorial bulge and even that is deformed into the Geoid. The gravitational tidal forces of the Moon and Sun apply torque as they attempt to pull the equatorial bulge into the plane of the ecliptic. The Moon's gravity acts on the non-spherical moment and causes the Earth to precess.

Garth
 
Garth said:
The Moon's gravity acts on the non-spherical moment...
What he said.
 

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