Do not understand why 'c' is squared in Einstein's equation

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The discussion centers around the question of why the speed of light 'c' is squared in Einstein's equation E=mc². Participants explore the implications of this squaring in terms of mathematical reasoning, physical units, and the derivation of the equation itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the squaring of 'c', questioning its purpose in the equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that 'c' represents a speed, and squaring it is necessary for the units to work out correctly in the context of energy measured in Joules.
  • Some participants note that the squaring arises from the derivation of the equation, emphasizing that it is not arbitrary but necessary for consistency in units.
  • There is a mention of another equation, P=I²R, suggesting that squaring is a common mathematical practice in physics.
  • One participant argues that without squaring 'c', the equation would not correspond to reality or make sense dimensionally.
  • Another participant highlights two distinct explanations: one focusing on the necessity of squaring for unit consistency and the other referencing Einstein's derivation of the equation.
  • A later reply states that E=mc would be a useless equation, implying that the squaring is essential for the equation's validity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the reasons for squaring 'c', with some emphasizing unit consistency and others focusing on the derivation of the equation. No consensus is reached, and multiple perspectives remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants refer to the mathematical implications and physical interpretations of squaring 'c', but the discussion does not resolve the underlying conceptual questions about the equation.

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Individuals interested in the foundations of physics, particularly those exploring concepts in special relativity and the relationship between mass and energy.

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I am not a dummy but for the life of me, I do not understand why 'c' is squared in Einstein's equation. Math has never been my strength. What purpose does squaring a number (multiplying it by itself) serve?
 
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This question has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics so I am moving this to the Physics "Special and General Relativity" section. In particular, you aren't "squaring a number", you are squaring a speed, the speed of light.

You should note that, physically, it makes the units work out properly. In the "MKS" (meter, kilogram, seconds) system, energy has units of "Joules" or "kilogram meter^2/second^2". Since mass has units of kg and velocity has units of "meter/second", you must square the speed of light to get those units.
 


It's pretty weird to "see" E=mc^2. I guess for someone who hasn't studied special relativity, this equation seems kind of like a postulate. But really, Einstein derived this equation, and it can be derived using the postulates of special relativity (in a not-too difficult way).

One could say that the square is there to make the units work out, but it also arises from the derivation itself. Of course, at every point in the derivation, the units work out, so at the end of the derivation, the units must also work out. But you need to see the derivation to make sure that the equation is not something like a*mc^3 where a is some quantity which has units of 1/speed, or something else strange like that.
 


Matterwave said:
It's pretty weird to "see" E=mc^2. I guess for someone who hasn't studied special relativity, this equation seems kind of like a postulate. But really, Einstein derived this equation, and it can be derived using the postulates of special relativity (in a not-too difficult way).

Yes, that's the way Einstein did it but special relativity would also result from the postulate that energy is linear correlated with mass.
 


FlipUnderwood said:
I am not a dummy but for the life of me, I do not understand why 'c' is squared in Einstein's equation. Math has never been my strength. What purpose does squaring a number (multiplying it by itself) serve?

Do you also wonder why in P=I^2R, that I is squared?

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FlipUnderwood said:
I am not a dummy but for the life of me, I do not understand why 'c' is squared in Einstein's equation. Math has never been my strength. What purpose does squaring a number (multiplying it by itself) serve? z

If you look at the area of a square, given a length 'L', the area is given by Area = L^2. It's squared because that's what makes the equation true. If you simply said E = mc, that wouldn't correspond to reality and the units wouldn't make sense either as has been pointed out. This is just like if you said Area = L. That doesn't correspond to reality and the units don't make sense either. An area can't equal a length just like an energy can't equal a mass * velocity.
 


So we are really getting two distinct explanations- one arguing that the units are such that a speed must be squared and the other giving (or at least referring) to Einstein's proof that the formula is in fact, not just a mass and the square of a velocity but specifically mc^2.
 


The reason is this:

e=mc would be a useless equation.

The end.
 

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