Why is E=MC2 Squared and not Cubed?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Trooper149
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Dimension E=mc^2
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the equation E=mc², specifically questioning why the speed of light (c) is squared rather than cubed. Participants explore the implications of dimensional analysis and the relationship between energy, mass, and the speed of light, while also considering the context of physical dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why c is squared, suggesting it should be cubed due to operating in three dimensions.
  • Others clarify that the exponent in E=mc² is related to dimensional analysis rather than the number of spatial dimensions.
  • It is noted that energy has physical dimensions of M L²/T², while mass has dimensions of M, leading to the conclusion that the proportionality constant must have dimensions of L²/T².
  • Some participants emphasize that the relationship must hold in any number of spatial dimensions, not just three.
  • There is a discussion on the importance of dimensional analysis in understanding physical equations, with references to its coverage in educational materials.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "joules is squared," leading to further clarification about the necessity of squaring c to relate the quantities appropriately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of dimensional analysis but express differing views on the interpretation of the squared term in E=mc². No consensus is reached regarding the initial confusion about dimensionality.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that dimensional analysis is often not adequately covered in physics curricula, which may contribute to misunderstandings about the equation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students beginning their studies in physics, educators looking for insights on teaching dimensional analysis, and anyone interested in the foundational concepts of energy and mass relationships in physics.

Trooper149
Messages
14
Reaction score
3
Problem Statement: Trying to understand the principles for the equation e=mc2.
Relevant Equations: E=mc2

So just started at a physics A level and so far loving it. I understand this question has indeed been asked before, however for different reasons. I understand the purpose of e=mc2 and I understand the formula. My question is related more the context in which this equation applies? Also, I understand that it is squared to reflect our dimension, however don't we operate in the 3rd dimension, in which case should it not be cubed? Perhaps I have misinterpreted what is being described?

Appreciate any help.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Trooper149 said:
Problem Statement: Trying to understand the principles for the equation e=mc2.
Relevant Equations: E=mc2

Also, I understand that it is squared to reflect our dimension, however don't we operate in the 3rd dimension, in which case should it not be cubed? Perhaps I have misinterpreted what is being described?
Unfortunately, you have misinterpreted what is being described, yes. What is likely being discussed is dimensional analysis. This has nothing to do with the number of spatial dimensions that we happen to live in. Instead, it has to do with the physical dimensions of different physical quantities. In the SI system, there are seven base units, the ones you will encounter most in relativity is length (L), time (T), and mass (M). In order for a physical equality to hold, both sides must have the same physical dimension. For example, an area has physical dimension of length squared (L^2), which means that you must measure areas in units of that dimension (such as m2). It would not make sense to measure areas in units of time (such as seconds).

For ##E = mc^2## it is the same. Energy has physical dimensions of ##\mathsf{M L^2/T^2}## and mass physical dimensions of ##\mathsf M##. The only way the relationship can make sense is if the proportionality constant therefore has a physical dimension of ##\mathsf{L^2/T^2}##. The speed of light is a speed and therefore has dimensions of length/time (L/T) and the only way the relationship can make sense is therefore if you have ##E = kmc^2##, where ##k## is just a number (you have to determine such numbers through physical arguments, not through dimensional analysis). In this case, ##k = 1##.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: SiennaTheGr8, Trooper149, Heikki Tuuri and 2 others
Trooper149 said:
Also, I understand that it is squared to reflect our dimension,
No. The power you raise ##c## to has no connection with the number of dimensions.
 
In Newtonian mechanics, in perfectly elastic collisions, mv and 1/2 mv^2 are conserved. The latter is the "energy".

The exponent 2 does not depend on the number of spatial dimensions in the universe. It is the same in a universe which has 100 spatial dimensions.
 
Orodruin said:
Unfortunately, you have misinterpreted what is being described, yes. What is likely being discussed is dimensional analysis. This has nothing to do with the number of spatial dimensions that we happen to live in. Instead, it has to do with the physical dimensions of different physical quantities. In the SI system, there are seven base units, the ones you will encounter most in relativity is length (L), time (T), and mass (M). In order for a physical equality to hold, both sides must have the same physical dimension. For example, an area has physical dimension of length squared (L^2), which means that you must measure areas in units of that dimension (such as m2). It would not make sense to measure areas in units of time (such as seconds).

For ##E = mc^2## it is the same. Energy has physical dimensions of ##\mathsf{M L^2/T^2}## and mass physical dimensions of ##\mathsf M##. The only way the relationship can make sense is if the proportionality constant therefore has a physical dimension of ##\mathsf{L^2/T^2}##. The speed of light is a speed and therefore has dimensions of length/time (L/T) and the only way the relationship can make sense is therefore if you have ##E = kmc^2##, where ##k## is just a number (you have to determine such numbers through physical arguments, not through dimensional analysis). In this case, ##k = 1##.

This is excellent. So quite simply, because energy is measured in joules and joules is squared, they square light in e=mc2 to convert the value?
 
Trooper149 said:
This is excellent. So quite simply, because energy is measured in joules and joules is squared, they square light in e=mc2 to convert the value?
I do not know what you mean by ”joules is squared”, but if you mean that you must square c to get the appropriate units, then yes, it is the only way in which you can relate these three quantities (up to a multiplicative constant that is dimensionless and must be determined, in this case that constant is one).

Note that this is not saying that such a relationship must exist and be physically meaningful (we had a recent thread with that misconception), just that if it exists, then it must be on that form. This type of argument is a special case of Buckingham’s pi theorem, which is an important result in dimensional analysis.

In general, I find that dimensional analysis - although quite basic and not very difficult or lengthy - is not covered satisfactorily in many physics curricula. I have a section covering the basics in the modelling chapter of my book and there are also many other nice and short texts on the subject. I am not aware of a nice summary on the internet, but admittedly I have not looked very hard for it.
 
I agree, Orodruin. I teach students at high school how dimensional analysis eases their lives, with a "what else could the formula be" question central. I find it poorly covered in the textbooks we use at schools.
 
Thank you for the informative replies guys and gals
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
6K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
10K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K
  • · Replies 124 ·
5
Replies
124
Views
17K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
7K