B Where did the 1/2 go in E=mc^2?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Einstein's equation E=mc^2 and its relation to kinetic energy. Participants clarify that E=mc^2 calculates the rest energy of a mass at rest, while kinetic energy is derived from classical mechanics and includes a factor of 1/2 due to the nature of motion. They emphasize that the two equations stem from different principles: one from special relativity and the other from Newtonian physics. The absence of the 1/2 factor in E=mc^2 is explained by the context of rest energy versus kinetic energy, with the latter being relevant only when the object is in motion. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the conceptual differences between relativistic and classical energy calculations.
  • #121
DrGreg said:
The limit is effectively ##c \to \infty##, not ##c \to 0##, or, perhaps better, ##(v/c) \to 0##
Yes. I corrected it now.
 
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If m is relativistic mass in the original post:
K and E are still not same quanities, beacuse ##E=m_{relativistic}*c^2## is rest energy plus kinetic energy and ##K=\frac{m_0*v^2}{2}## is kinetic energy.
 
  • #123
I suggested a while back that, of course, E=mc^2 is not an equation with 'c' as a variable, it is really a conversion factor. At least in the rest frame.

I have seen the following additional explanation, which describes the connection with Newtonian mechanics. If one writes the Lorenz factor as y = 1/SQRT(1-b^2), where b = v/c (sorry no latex) then the equation in special relativity, E = ymc^2, can be expanded as a Maclaurin series.

y = 1/SQRT(1-b^2) = 1 + 1/2.b^2 + 3/8.b^4 + 5/16.b^6 ... etc

As v (i.e. b) tends to small values then the end terms of the series vanish.

The first two terms of the expansion are then

E = mc^2 + 1/2.mv^2

which is therefore the Newtonian approximation for small v.

So I suppose an alternative answer for the OP is that the "1/2" can be made to "reappear" by a Maclaurin expansion of the Lorentz factor.
 
  • #124
cmb said:
So I suppose an alternative answer for the OP is that the "1/2" can be made to "reappear" by a Maclaurin expansion of the Lorentz factor.
This is a standard way of showing that the low speed limit of relativistic kinetic energy is Newtonian kinetic energy, yes.
 
  • #125
The kinetic energy of a particle can be expressed as ##\frac{\gamma^2}{\gamma+1}mv^2##. In the low speed limit ##\gamma \approx 1## so the fraction ##\frac{\gamma^2}{\gamma+1}\approx \frac{1}{2}##. So you can see that the ##\frac{1}{2}## didn't go anywhere. It's still there!
 

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