Do Physics Riddles Help Students Understand Concepts Better?

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The discussion centers on enhancing student engagement in physics through creative teaching methods, particularly the use of riddles and brain-teasers. While some participants believe that riddles can aid retention and understanding, others argue they may only benefit students who already grasp the material, potentially leaving struggling learners confused. Real-life demonstrations and hands-on experiments are emphasized as effective strategies for teaching complex concepts, such as buoyancy, by allowing students to explore and discuss outcomes before formal instruction. The importance of contextualizing physics to show its beauty and relevance is highlighted, suggesting that fostering a passion for the subject may be more effective than relying solely on riddles or traditional methods. Additionally, the discussion touches on the need for careful selection of riddles to ensure they are accessible, memorable, and conducive to learning, rather than discouraging or misleading. Overall, the conversation advocates for a balance between engaging techniques and foundational understanding to improve physics education.
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Hey everyone — I’ve been thinking about creative ways to make physics more engaging for students, especially when memorizing formulas or grasping tricky concepts.
Do you think riddles (or brain-teaser style questions) could help students learn and retain physics better? Has anyone here used them in teaching or study sessions?
 
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jasonmethod said:
Hey everyone — I’ve been thinking about creative ways to make physics more engaging for students, especially when memorizing formulas or grasping tricky concepts.
Do you think riddles (or brain-teaser style questions) could help students learn and retain physics better? Has anyone here used them in teaching or study sessions?
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pinball1970 said:
And @berkeman why not.

I would have given an opinion based on my education but that's not good enough for this question.
 
I'm the wrong person to field this question. I firmly believe the best way to engage a student in physics is via real-life demonstrations and lab experiments.
 
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jasonmethod said:
Do you think riddles (or brain-teaser style questions) could help students learn and retain physics better?
Could you give an example of the type of the question you're thinking of? The questions I've run into that were described as brain teasers usually just made me roll my eyes when I found out the answer. They weren't particularly illuminating or interesting to me.

Paul Hewitt gave his students "next time" questions for them to think about and discuss between classes. Sometimes it was analyzing and solving a simple problem. Others were more conceptual in nature and might elicit common misconceptions.
 
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Hey everyone — I’ve been thinking about creative ways to make physics more engaging for students, especially when memorizing formulas or grasping tricky concepts.
Do you think riddles (or brain-teaser style questions) could help students learn and retain physics better? Has anyone here used them in teaching or study sessions?
Personally I think it would only really help those who are already doing well, as the people that need the most help will just be lost with riddles and brain-teasers.
 
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jasonmethod said:
Hey everyone — I’ve been thinking about creative ways to make physics more engaging for students, especially when memorizing formulas or grasping tricky concepts.
Do you think riddles (or brain-teaser style questions) could help students learn and retain physics better? Has anyone here used them in teaching or study sessions?
I have.

I actually gave this at the very beginning of the topic on buoyancy, mainly to judge their ability to analyze the problem and to give a rational explanation for what they think will happen. I do not penalize them for giving the wrong answer.
archimedes.webp

It's a common question that I've come across many times. You have a container of water on a weighing scale. You then lower a mass attached to a string until it is completely submerged but without it touching the bottom or any part of the container. Will the weighing scale read more, less, or the same?

In some cases, I let them discuss with other students in the class before they come up with an answer.

After they have written their answers, I actually bring out sufficient equipment and tell them to go ahead and perform the actual measurement and see if they got it right. I don't give them instruction on what to do, but I do require that they describe exactly what is done and what they observe.

After this, we then have a class discussion on the result. We discuss the wrong answer, and the reason and explanation behind the right answer, all before we learn about buoyancy and Archimedes' principle. From my anecdotal experience, students tend to remember and understand this better than just simply pouring out the concept. And this activity has WAY more student engagement in it than passive learning.

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The rope will not hold the full weight of the brick (this can be derived from childhood bath time memories), thus some of the weight of the brick must be borne by the scale, causing it to increase.

No knowledge of Archimedes' principle necessary, I think.
 
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The rope will not hold the full weight of the brick (this can be derived from childhood bath time memories), thus some of the weight of the brick must be borne by the scale, causing it to increase.

No knowledge of Archimedes' principle necessary, I think.
No formal knowledge of Archimedes needed, but it would explain why the string tension decreases when brick is in the water.

With the brick in the water, the water level in the container has increased.
Thus, the pressure on the bottom area of the container has increased.
In turn, the balance registers an increase for the this situation to be in static equilibrium.
 
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The rope will not hold the full weight of the brick (this can be derived from childhood bath time memories), thus some of the weight of the brick must be borne by the scale, causing it to increase.

No knowledge of Archimedes' principle necessary, I think.
If you are teaching a class, try it. You'd be surprised at how many students got this wrong, which is why I continue to use this at the beginning of the lesson BEFORE I start on the topic. I tell my students that anyone, regardless of whether that person has formally learned physics or not, is able to answer this question.

Many students, especially ones that are apprehensive about taking a physics course, have this weird idea that all their worldly experiences somehow should be thrown out when they enter a physics class. This "riddle" is just one example where I start a topic by citing something that they already are aware of but never formally understand it.

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try it
I was misquoted. Experience can give a good answer, but the explanation might need some physics.

The balloon in a moving car, and which way it moves when accelerating, is one thought experiment most students would not get correct. Experience does give the wrong answer.
 
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Engaging students with the subject matter in memorable ways is good and improves learning.

Whether a riddle would do so depends entirely on the particular riddle. Some riddles can be used to engage students and improve learning. Other riddles can make something simple seem hard, or can be discouraging.

I don't recommend putting nearly impossible unsolved problems on your white board and asking students to solve them as homework. (The reference, here, by the way, is to George Dantzig. Look him up.)

Likewise, Zen koans, which are inherently paradoxical and don't have ready answers, but exist to get you out of the rut of thinking conventionally, make bad STEM teaching tools, even though they can be good for teaching Buddhist philosophy and getting people into a metaphysical mindset.

Riddles serve the same pedagogical purpose as songs, poems, interpretive dances, funny outfits, provocative or inspiring images, mnemonics, experiments, and video presentations. Good ones help, bad ones hurt, and a good execution or presentation of the teaching tool can make the difference too.

My father, who was also a choir director in his free time for most of his life, liked to compose songs to help his graduate students in environmental sciences remember and retain important concepts. Whenever alumni would visit campus, they'd always sing them and they never forgot the scientific substance that they were built around. The songs were something that really stuck, and it had the added bonus of building community among his students. The songs were often corny and were not musical masterpieces, but that was besides the point. They weren't about being exemplary works of art.

They also reflected his teaching philosophy, which was that a class in school was not a competition, and that the goal was for everyone in the class to learn everything that was being taught. His goal was for as many students as possible to get perfect scores on a final exam that captured everything he had set out to teach in a course, and for them to hold onto those lessons years into the future.

A riddle could do what those songs did too (even if it really just amounts to a corny or cheesy "dad joke"), but only a good riddle that is memorable is helpful.

This is related to the counterintuitive concept, familiar to experts in memorization, that it is easier to remember a fact when it is embedded in a larger narrative or context like a memory palace, or the alphabet song, than it is to remember a fact in isolation. This is surprising, because there are more bits of data that have to be stored when remembering the complete context in addition to the facts, rather than only the bare facts themselves. But this is how human memory works.

Back in the day, before there was widespread literacy or even a written language at all, people remembered large quantities of facts and information by embedding them in epic poetry. They remembered the map of the stars at night by embedding them in imaginary pictures associated with mythological stories.

Riddles are just permutations on the same idea. They are basically just a stylized kind of story that is a close cousin of a parable. They add gratuitous content to make it easier to remember the actual principle or fact that you are teaching.

But a riddle can be bad if it buttresses bad intuition, perhaps capturing a relationship between physical quantities that is true in that special case, but doesn't hold as a general rule, or relying for its punchline on some kind of sloppy or inefficient way of thinking about a problem that you are trying to discourage.

For example, a riddle that draws upon the fact that water expands when frozen, unlike the vast majority of other substances, would be a poor one to use to teach students about the general relationship between temperature and volume in condensed matter.

Similarly, while Zeno's paradox might have its place in philosophy or advanced mathematics, it might lead a student who is inclined to think about it in a particular way to think that physics and calculus are mysterious and seemingly impossible, leading students to ignore their correct common sense intuition that finite distances can be traversed in finite times, or at least, causing them to overthink it.

With each riddle used you need to ask:

1. Is the riddle too difficult and discouraging? If it is, don't use it.

2. Does it help address a point that students sometimes struggle to grasp or remember? You should save the special and good stuff for circumstances where it is needed.

3. Is the riddle memorable? If the riddle is itself forgettable, it won't serve its purpose.

4. Does the riddle make the lesson embedded in it more memorable? The riddle should focus a student in on the principle you are teaching, not distract from it.

5. Does the riddle illustrate the rule or fact you are trying to teach in a way that generalizes properly? See above.
 
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Okay so just as someone who's younger and is in the stages of learning fundamentals of physics right now... just a few things:

If you're looking to get more people to learn physics, in engaging and fun ways, then I think just teaching people why they are learning what they are learning is a really key step, before you move on to riddles and other techniques like that. People in my class... almost all of them hate physics and think me delusional for loving it, because they don't understand the beauty of physics. They learn things like V=IR and then question why they are even learning it, do not understand why I would like "sitting down and memorising formulae all day", because they haven't seen the beauty of physics yet, and how what their doing is really the first step in something wonderful. In physics education, at least for me as someone who is in the British Equivalent of Middle/High school, they teach you the stuff but don't show you the big picture! A nice analogy is like training people to play football, but then just forcing them to learn how to kick a ball, without telling them what football is and why learning to kick a ball is important, just blindly telling them how to kick the ball, again and again. Of course, if everyone was taught football this way, without showing them the whole game or what kicking the ball leads to... then it would be fair enough for them to hate it.

If you are teaching people who aren't in University yet, i.e. they haven't voluntarily picked physics because they want to pursue it further, then I think the best way to make your classes more exciting and your students more engaged is to just show them the beauty of physics. I don't know how to do that but this is definitely the first thing to do. I go to one of the most elite secondary schools in Britain and I do not know anyone apart from me that is passionate about physics in my school, because they have all been taught that all physics is is learning things like how to calculate the acceleration of a ball in freefall and things like that... we are just shoving formulae and content down their throats without telling them why. And I don't mean tell them the practical uses of what they're learning either - I'm sure the majority of us don't love physics for it's practical uses. Tell them why we love the subject and just how awesome it is... make them at least understand where that love comes from
Apologies for the yap, this is just something I believe very firmly in and am very passionate about!


As for your idea about the riddles... I agree with @ohwilleke . Especially about the fact that it shouldn't be so difficult as to being discouraging. Another thing you could try out is maybe developing some sort of game that allows people to explore the concepts of physics interactively and on their own, by playing the game? I'm thinking something like Sinerider - https://sinerider.com/) If you're interested I'm always happy to help out with the development, it's something that I've been thinking of making for a while XD
 
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From my anecdotal experience, students tend to remember and understand this better than just simply pouring out the concept. And this activity has WAY more student engagement in it than passive learning.
Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just bifurcating bunnies.

The students will remember and understand it way better, of course. But that's not the only variable.
Can you discount that you basically spent an entire class on the demo? Is it a higher retention per-unit-time? :)
 
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This one does not fit for Physics, but a Biology teacher once discussed conducting an experiment or experimental design like this:

A grasshopper was put into a jar of tomato juice. The grasshopper died. The experimenter concluded that tomato juice is toxic to grasshoppers.
 
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ZapperZ said:
archimedes.webp

It's a common question that I've come across many times. You have a container of water on a weighing scale. You then lower a mass attached to a string until it is completely submerged but without it touching the bottom or any part of the container. Will the weighing scale read more, less, or the same?
I wouldn't consider this a riddle. Riddles confuse students who don't understand what they are supposed to be learning. Are they learning how to be clever or are they learning what we call physics?

Your question is very good. Back in the 1990's I would have used this as a Hewitt-like next time question, or one of his "check your neighbor" questions. But when clicker technology became available I would use this as a very good clicker question, and of couse get the students talking to each other. After the first vote the statistics are displayed in the form of a bar graph, showing how many students gave each answer. After that what the instructor does depends on that answer distribution. If most students got it right a few words of explanation are all that's needed before moving on. On the other hand, a large number of students giving wrong answers invites further discussion, often lively with a few students taking turns to state their point of view to the rest of the class. Look at the work done by Harvard physics professor Eric Mazur.

Most of the responders in this thread don't seem to grasp what this question is all about. The water pushes up on the submerged brick (the so-called buoyant force) so the brick must push down on water (ala Newton's Third Law).

By the way, I would avoid phrases like "the submerged mass". This confuses students. Mass is a property of an object, not the object itself.

Many of these questions that you refer to as riddles are not good test questions because tests are designed to see if the student has learned the subject matter. But these "riddles" should be designed to introduce the subject matter and get the students thinking about it. It's very important to keep reminding them of this difference. Saying it once or twice won't get the point across.
 
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