Do Red Dwarfs Favor Rocky Planets and Host Life?

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The discussion explores whether red dwarf stars influence the formation of rocky planets compared to gas giants, and the implications for the potential for life on such planets, particularly in relation to radiation levels and atmospheric conditions.

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  • Virgil questions if red dwarfs favor rocky planet formation due to their proximity to the star and the implications for life in the habitable zone.
  • One participant suggests that red dwarfs' low mass means planets must be closer, making them more susceptible to solar winds, which could hinder the development of life.
  • Another participant argues that higher radiation levels might not be a significant barrier to life, proposing that increased atmospheric pressure could offer better protection and that evolution may adapt to higher radiation environments.
  • There is a query about whether higher radiation levels would prevent liquid water from accumulating on these planets.
  • A participant references the Trappist system as evidence that red dwarfs can host multiple rocky planets, suggesting this might indicate a tendency for rocky planet formation around such stars.

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Participants express differing views on the influence of red dwarfs on planet types and the viability of life under higher radiation conditions. There is no consensus on whether red dwarfs favor rocky planets or the implications of radiation for life.

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Some assumptions about atmospheric conditions and evolutionary responses to radiation are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of planetary formation around red dwarfs.

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Hello,

1. Does the star type influence the type of planets forming around it? Specifically, could a red dwarf favour the formation of rocky planets around them, compared to gas giants?
2. Planets would be much closer to a red dwarf star than they are for a solar type star. Consequently, the radiations (stellar wind, UV) would, I presume, be much stronger than for Earth. Can we even conceive the possibility for life in such conditions, even inside the habitable zone?

Thanks for your insight,
Virgil.
 
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Here is my logic...
Red dwarfs have relatively low mass, and thus can only hold planets in their orbit when the planets are relatively close to the star. Since they are closer to to the star, they will be more susceptible to solar winds. This would be a problem for life to form. Also, if complex life were to form, it would most likely have to develop heat sensing organs (in the place of eyes).
As for types of planets, I'm not entirely sure. I would think they would be mostly rocky planets but don't have much logic to back it up (without google o0)). Maybe since they are closer to the sun, the solar winds would be more likely to blow away gaseous atmosphere.
 
virgil1612 said:
Consequently, the radiations (stellar wind, UV) would, I presume, be much stronger than for Earth. Can we even conceive the possibility for life in such conditions, even inside the habitable zone?

Higher radiation is not that big problem.

First, more atmosphere protects better. Say, a version of Earth but with 3 atm surface pressure (three times more massive atmosphere).

Second, evolution does not prefer the best possible resistance to radiation in living beings. Evolution _needs_ mutations to happen, it only needs to make sure that radiation damage is not causing organisms to not survive until they have offspring. It's quite likely that life in more radioactive environments will simply have enhanced mechanisms to repair that damage.

In Three Mile reactor cleanup effort, one of the difficulties encountered was the growth of cyanobacteria in the water. *In the reactor vessel*, whose walls were emitting several thousands roentgen per hour.
 
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@nikkkom that is very true. One thing that comes to mind, though... is there anything that prevents liquid water from collecting on these planets (i.e. the higher radiation)?

Also what do you think about the planet situation (rocky vs gaseous)?
 
I was thinking about red dwarfs possibly favouring rocky planet formation because of the recent discovery of the Trappist system... A red dwarf surrounded by 7 (!) rocky planets... seems quite extraordinary.
 

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