Do virtual particles interact with each other?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of virtual particles, their interactions, and their implications for concepts such as vacuum energy and the cosmological constant. Participants explore whether virtual particles can interact with each other, the validity of their existence, and their role in phenomena like black hole evaporation and cosmic expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether separate instances of virtual pair production can interact, particularly if an electron from one pair can annihilate with a positron from another pair.
  • Another participant asserts that virtual particles are not real and are merely representations in a Dyson series, which diverges and complicates interpretations in quantum mechanics.
  • Some participants link vacuum energy to cosmic expansion, suggesting that virtual particles may cause adjacent volumes of space to move apart, although this is debated.
  • A participant challenges the idea of "more virtual particles" in expanding space, arguing that virtual particles cannot be counted and do not exist in a number eigenstate.
  • Confusion arises regarding the use of virtual particles in Hawking's explanation of black hole evaporation, with differing views on whether they play a rigorous role in the calculations.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle on virtual particles, questioning whether their non-zero variance has physical effects despite their average energy being zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reality and interaction of virtual particles, with no consensus reached on their implications or existence. Disagreement persists over the interpretation of vacuum energy and its relationship to cosmic phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the language surrounding virtual particles can be misleading, particularly in popular science, and that understanding their role requires careful consideration of quantum field theory. The discussion highlights the complexities and unresolved aspects of virtual particles and vacuum energy.

  • #31
friend said:
Of course they're not defined as observables, since they are virtual. I think the problem is that virtual particles are not defined, even for the brief moment they might appear, to have a specific location in time and space. So things like trajectory are not applied to them. But perhaps the probability of virtual particles interacting is calculable. Isn't that what we are doing inside complicated Feynman diagrams?

It's time to close this thread, and the last words should come from vanhees: "So better start studying a good quantum field theory textbook."
 
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