Do you need calculus to learn pure mathematics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether calculus is necessary for learning pure mathematics, specifically in relation to topics like abstract algebra and topology. Participants explore the prerequisites for these subjects and the potential for studying them without a calculus background.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that it is possible to learn abstract algebra without calculus, citing specific texts like Fraleigh.
  • Others argue that calculus is essential for understanding topology, as many concepts in topology are motivated by calculus and analysis.
  • A few participants express that while calculus is important, it can be learned later, and one can approach abstract algebra and topology first if they are mathematically mature.
  • There are differing opinions on the necessity of calculus for understanding topology, with some claiming it can be grasped intuitively without prior calculus knowledge.
  • Recommendations for calculus texts, such as Spivak, are made, with some participants noting that traditional calculus courses can be dry and unengaging.
  • Participants discuss the importance of proof-based learning and suggest introductory books on proofs for those new to the concept.
  • Some participants emphasize the beauty of calculus and its role in enriching mathematical intuition, while others feel that skipping calculus might allow for a more engaging exploration of pure mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether calculus is necessary for studying pure mathematics. Participants present multiple competing views on the role of calculus in learning abstract algebra and topology, with some advocating for its importance and others suggesting it can be bypassed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of mathematical maturity and readiness to tackle advanced topics, indicating that individual backgrounds may influence their perspectives on the necessity of calculus. The discussion also highlights the subjective nature of learning experiences with different mathematics curricula.

  • #31
TheKracken said:
Would an intro to proof book be the best thing to start with then?

Spivak is kind of an intro to proofs book. I would recommend starting with it. It doesn't assume you know anything at all and it sort of eases into it. Once you start limits there's a bit of a difficulty spike but once you start "getting it" the rest comes easily since limits are the hardest topic in the book and the one that everything else is based off in the subject. I took a class with it having no knowledge of proofs at all and it turned out okay.

Also, don't ignore calculus! It's really a pretty interesting subject. While I admit differentiation is very dry, integration is an art. Differential equations are also really fun in my opinion.

It's also insanely powerful in any applied subject. When I first learned calc I was mystified it worked so well! I would do problems and would wonder how the hell such simple techniques got answers to seemingly complex questions.

That's usually how calculus is taught at first, with a focus on computation and almost no proofs. That's why Spivak is a recommendation on here because it pretty much does the opposite.
 

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