Do you wear suit and tie to work? Do you think people should be?

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The discussion revolves around the appropriateness and perceptions of wearing suits and ties in various work environments. Participants share personal experiences, opinions on formality in dress codes, and the implications of attire on professional interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that formal attire, such as suits and ties, is rare in their workplaces, with casual dress being the norm.
  • Others argue that more people should wear suits, citing that they look and feel good, and suggest that a shift towards casual attire has occurred over time.
  • Several participants express discomfort with suits and ties, describing them as uncomfortable and questioning their necessity for looking professional.
  • One participant shares a personal success story linked to adopting a more formal dress code, claiming it led to increased respect and pay, while another challenges the causation of this outcome.
  • There are differing views on the role of attire in professional settings, with some suggesting that it can enhance credibility, while others argue that knowledge and competence are more important than appearance.
  • Participants discuss the variability of dress codes based on industry, with some workplaces enforcing strict guidelines while others allow for casual wear.
  • Some express skepticism about the effectiveness of dressing formally, suggesting that it may not correlate with success or professionalism in all fields.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity or appropriateness of wearing suits and ties. There are multiple competing views regarding the impact of attire on professional success and personal comfort.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific workplace policies regarding dress codes, while others share anecdotal experiences that highlight the subjective nature of attire's impact on professional interactions.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring workplace culture, dress codes, and the social implications of professional attire.

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I never dress formally, and only ppl here wear like that are either high ranking managers or banker, or salesman. I once dressed all up for a meeting and it turned out I was a rare bird.

And it is really interesting how almost every sales engie wear suit and tie and have their shoes shined. But people use to wear like that in the old days, heck, they even wear top hats. What happened?
 
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More people should wear a suit and tie, it looks good, it feels good, it's standard.
Suits are pretty sweet!

I think what happened was people decided to get laid back and became hippies (not that I'd know, I'm not old enough to know about hippies)
 
Never seen anyone here wear a suit. Even the CEO walks around in khakis and a polo shirt.
 
Integral said:
Never seen anyone here wear a suit.

Except Mormons. :biggrin:

Even the CEO walks around in khakis and a polo shirt.

So true! Or even jeans and sneakers.
 
genericusrnme said:
More people should wear a suit and tie, it looks good, it feels good, it's standard.
Suits are pretty sweet!

I think what happened was people decided to get laid back and became hippies (not that I'd know, I'm not old enough to know about hippies)

Wearing a suit feels good? I find that suits are horribly uncomfortable. I wore a business suit when I sold mattresses for 4 years. Whether it looks good is a matter of taste, and "it's standard" is never a justification to do anything.
 
Jack21222 said:
Wearing a suit feels good? I find that suits are horribly uncomfortable. I wore a business suit when I sold mattresses for 4 years. Whether it looks good is a matter of taste, and "it's standard" is never a justification to do anything.

Every suit I've worn has made my posture feel a lot better than it usually does!
When I said standard I just meant that it took the place of some kind of uniform
 
If anyone ever sees me wearing a tie, feel free to assume that I'm dead and that thing you see is actually a zombie.

I would never wear a tie, if only because they're ridiculously uncomfortable *and* have no function *and* look idiotic (although the last part is obviously a matter of personal taste). As for suits... Meh. I don't hate suits (like I hate ties), but I find it rather ridiculous that some people assume you need a suit to look good.
 
It depends on if you will have customer contact, the industry, etc...

I always had to wear a business suit to work. At one office, if we didn't have client meetings scheduled, we could wear "business casual", but then our VP came through the office and told us that if we weren't wearing a suit that he expected us to have a full suit outfit hanging in our offices, gawd forbid a client might call and want an immediate meeting and we didn't have proper clothes! The last place I worked wouldn't even allow open toe shoes for women, or shoes that exposed too much of the foot. If we wore a sleeveless blouse, the shoulder straps had to be at least 2 inches wide. Occasionally they would bring in fashion consultants to help us build 'proper' business wardrobes.
 
I do manual labor. I don't think a suit would be a good idea.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
I do manual labor. I don't think a suit would be a good idea.
Not a trendsetter, eh?
 
  • #11
I have a photo of my great great grandparents and other extended family hiking on a rocky waterfall in the poconos, circa 1890. Or maybe there was a wedding on the other side of the creek, it was hard to tell.
 
  • #12
I missed out on a decent job. The interviewer mentioned to my employement agent that "it was a really tough choice and it came down to who was better dressed." I wasn't the one in a suit.

Sometimes being better dressed gives you a comparative advantage. Oh, and the interviewer was about 55yrs old or so.

That being said, I see the suit more as a tool. Like cologne or hair products.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Except Mormons. :biggrin:



So true! Or even jeans and sneakers.

Just back from a company meeting. The CEO wore a button down collar long sleeve shirt and blue jeans.
 
  • #14
I started by attacking "casual friday". On Friday I dressed a little more formally than the rest of the week. A year ago I introduced full-time sport jackets. Soon I'll be adding a tie.

Since my program of reviving formal dress began, I am taken much more seriously by everyone, I'm always ready for unscheduled visitors and my pay has gone up by a full 43%. Really, it did. Once I add the tie there will be only two people wearing one in the building- me and the CEO.

My advice to everyone out there- keep up the casual dress. Going against the grain of your Starbucks attitude is making me buckets of cash.
 
  • #15
Another fine example of the "American Dream".

"Since my program of reviving formal dress began, I am taken much more seriously by everyone, I'm always ready for unscheduled visitors and my pay has gone up by a full 43%. Really, it did."

If it is as you say, then enjoy the fruits of your labour and good on you for earning your keep. It's well deserved. :rolleyes:
 
  • #16
I look dashing in a suit.

I agree with Antiphon on reintroducing formal dress. Most people look like slobs nowadays.
 
  • #17
Antiphon said:
... my pay has gone up by a full 43%. Really, it did. ...Going against the grain of your Starbucks attitude is making me buckets of cash.

Correlation does not imply causation. You have provided no evidence that the way you dress is what has lead to your pay increasing, rather than, say, a change in your work ethic or just getting better at your job.

At my university, there seems to be no correlation of how a professor dresses and which professors get tenure, for what it's worth. My anecdote is just as good as your anecdote.

And on a related note:

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^ oh dear, I sure just lol'd
 
  • #19
When I was managing an auction division handling antique arms (guns, swords etc) the GM thought it would be a good idea to make me wear dress clothes to work, just in case a customer wanted to meet with me on short notice. I mostly wore jeans and polo shirts, and most of my jeans were stained with gun oil, grease, etc, since I had to handle thousands of guns and swords every year. Believe me, most die-hard collectors of antique arms are down-to-earth people, and though many of them are filthy-rich,they couldn't care less about dealing with a guy in a sport-coat or a suit. They are straight-talking and what they want is to deal with somebody who knows the business and can represent their items fairly, and to best effect. Buyers eventually become sellers, so it's best to have a good all-round relationship with the collectors.
 
  • #20
I think suits and dress clothes in general are very uncomfortable and not good for working or thinking in. I also hated having my mom iron my work clothes every week when I was at a place that made me dress business casual.

I also am very hesitant whenever I am asked to spend some time with a sales engineer who is dressed up, because more often than not his expensive coat is compensating for his lack of knowledge and just shows me he knows how to sucker insecure people into buying what he's selling, which makes me even more cautious.

Dressing up can be fun, but that's when you're being social . . not trying to get work done.
 
  • #21
Antiphon said:
My advice to everyone out there- keep up the casual dress. Going against the grain of your Starbucks attitude is making me buckets of cash.

In some situations it definitely pays to dress for success; esp if you are trying to work your way up in a big company. Personally, I wear my black ninja long underwear to work.
 
  • #22
Jack21222 said:
At my university, there seems to be no correlation of how a professor dresses and which professors get tenure, for what it's worth. My anecdote is just as good as your anecdote.

You're making my point without knowing it.

How about the cloths on the Dean or the president of the university? College professors are the blue-collar working men of the university world.
 
  • #23
The most important thing is to know if and when it's appropriate to dress up. I've had clients warn me to wear my hip boots when I come to see them. I got there and they weren't kidding. It was 30 feet of deep mud from the parking area to their front door. I stepped out of the car and instantly my high heeled shoe was sucked off of my foot with a sickening noise. I took off my other shoe and dug the other out of the mud. I made my way to their office in mud over my ankles in my stockinged feet and one muddy hand. We had a good laugh.
 
  • #24
I went to my first job interview wearing tennis clothes and thongs, although that was only at a supermarket.

I changed cities a month ago for university, and here EVERYONE seems to dress in fancy clothes, all the time. I'm getting used to wearing jeans and collared shirts when I go to lectures, but I feel overdressed.
 
  • #25
Neptulin said:
I went to my first job interview wearing tennis clothes and thongs, although that was only at a supermarket.

I changed cities a month ago for university, and here EVERYONE seems to dress in fancy clothes, all the time. I'm getting used to wearing jeans and collared shirts when I go to lectures, but I feel overdressed.

Are you Australian, by any chance?

"Thongs" means something completely different here in the US.
 
  • #26
Ivan Seeking said:
Except Mormons. :biggrin:

But they are salesmen you know... door to door style.
 
  • #27
Jack21222 said:
Are you Australian, by any chance?

"Thongs" means something completely different here in the US.
"Thong" means something completely different in the US to the younger folk. Some in the US still call these things "thongs":

http://www.fashionrat.com/images/flip-flop-thong-classic11.jpg
 
  • #28
Jack21222 said:
Are you Australian, by any chance?

"Thongs" means something completely different here in the US.

I say, I'd be thrilled if all my female colleagues wear that to work.
 
  • #29
Jack21222 said:
Are you Australian, by any chance?

"Thongs" means something completely different here in the US.
Yep, I'm Australian. I certainly wouldn't wear THAT to an interview.
 
  • #30
Neptulin said:
I went to my first job interview wearing tennis clothes and thongs, although that was only at a supermarket.

I changed cities a month ago for university, and here EVERYONE seems to dress in fancy clothes, all the time. I'm getting used to wearing jeans and collared shirts when I go to lectures, but I feel overdressed.

Yes, it's my experience that the particular city where the job is can make a big difference. Where I work now, on the US west coast, it's perfectly fine for engineers/technicians to go to work wearing shorts, sandals and a tank top. On the US east coast, that wouldn't fly. It really depends on where you are (among other things, such as customer interaction that particular day, etc., as others have mentioned).

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