Does an undergraduate degree in math and science limit your options?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of choosing an undergraduate degree in mathematics and the sciences on future career options. Participants explore various fields, their breadth of opportunities, and the potential for specialization over time.

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  • Some participants suggest that degrees in broader engineering fields, such as electrical, mechanical, or chemical engineering, may provide more options compared to more specialized fields like biological engineering.
  • Others argue that a physics degree can offer a wide range of opportunities, especially for those willing to pursue graduate studies, as it allows exploration into various disciplines.
  • Several participants propose that computer science may leave the most options open, citing its applicability across various scientific fields and higher employability in STEM jobs.
  • There is a viewpoint that keeping options open might correlate with lacking specific marketable skills, which some participants caution against.
  • Some participants highlight that while a college degree can narrow options, it also provides deeper prospects in specialized fields.
  • A later reply emphasizes the inevitability of specialization and the closing of certain doors as one progresses in their education and career.

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Participants express a range of opinions on which degrees provide the most options, with no consensus reached. There are competing views on the value of specialization versus maintaining a broad focus in undergraduate studies.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reflect on the balance between having broad options and acquiring marketable skills, indicating that "open options" may be subjective and context-dependent.

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What kind of undergraduate degree would leave the greatest variety of options open in areas of maths and the sciences?
 
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Options with respect to what?

If you're struggling with trying to choose a major early on, you don't have to worry too much. The first year of university among students in the physical sciences, mathematics, and the various engineering disciplines is pretty uniform. It's only once you get into your second year or so that the programs really start to diverge and even then, if you really decide you've made a mistake, it's usually not too costly to backtrack and go in a different direction.

Programs to avoid are those that get too specialized too quickly. In physics for example it's my opinion that you really don't need to specialize in any particular sub-field until you get to graduate school. So an undergraduate major in "astrophysics" or "medical physics" really isn't necessary. You're not "doomed" if you do specialize, but keeping things reasonably general through undergrad is a good idea.
 
BHL 20 said:
What kind of undergraduate degree would leave the greatest variety of options open in areas of maths and the sciences?

What are you interested in?

I started out in biological engineering and discovered very quickly that it was way to restrictive as far as career options and areas of study. If you're interested in engineering, then I would suggest trying one of the broader areas such as electrical, mechanical, or chemical. Also, if you're not interested in grad school, engineering is probably the best way to go.

I would say that if you REALLY want to keep your options open and don't mind going to grad school, then something like physics might be the best choice. If you're willing to go to graduate school then you can study almost anything with a physics degree (including engineering) because you will have such a broad degree of understanding. I ended up switching over to physics after my first year and I am very happy with my decision. It has allowed me to explore my interests in other fields and pick up a minor in geology.

Really, the answer to your question depends on your career goals/interests.
 
I think computer science leaves the most options open. You could work on other projects with physicists as a developer and have the option of being much more employable.
 
jesse73 said:
I think computer science leaves the most options open. You could work on other projects with physicists as a developer and have the option of being much more employable.

In my recent hunt for STEM jobs this is pretty much the case. There are a bigger number of computer scientist jobs at scientific institutions than there are for any given science degree at the bachelors level, particularly in the realm of physics/astronomy.
 
I suspect that keeping options open very much correlates with having no specific marketable skills. This is not something you want. A graduating high schooler with no college has very broad options, more open than any graduate. After (hopefully) getting marketable skills in college options are more advanced, but less broad and open.
 
ModusPwnd said:
I suspect that keeping options open very much correlates with having no specific marketable skills. This is not something you want. A graduating high schooler with no college has very broad options, more open than any graduate. After (hopefully) getting marketable skills in college options are more advanced, but less broad and open.

Are you hearing yourself? You can still apply to unskilled labor, retail jobs, or anything else a fresh high schooler can do with a college degree. There are plenty of people who do this either temporarily or for longer periods. If you were making the argument about a phd trying to get a job bagging groceries, I would agree he/she'd be turned down unless they tweaked their CV a lot, but fortunately employment isn't that bad for phd's yet.

A college degree used to be a rare thing in entry level jobs, now a relevant degree is a de facto requirement even for paper pusher work that people did with high school diplomas 30 years ago.
 
I don't think the ability to bag groceries after graduation is what the original poster means by "open options". The OP is looking for open options in areas of math and science.
 
And how do you suppose a fresh high schooler is going to get a job doing science, math or engineering, when most don't even take a calculus, physics or a machine shop class?
 
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By going to college of course... I don't get your line of questioning. Before college you have open options, you can do any major and any type of internship or research. After college you have specialized, somewhat, and hopefully have some deeper prospects in a narrower field. You don't have to know what that field is when you start college, but hopefully you have one at the end. Otherwise you are back to where you started with open options. "You can do anything with that degree" - means, it doesn't train you for anything specific and you are back at square one.

To answer the OP, I would agree with the other posters. Computer science seems pretty open and also has a lot of people hiring. It may have among the best balance of providing open options and marketable skills. You can't do anything with those skills, but you can do a lot with them.
 
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ModusPwnd said:
I suspect that keeping options open very much correlates with having no specific marketable skills. This is not something you want. A graduating high schooler with no college has very broad options, more open than any graduate. After (hopefully) getting marketable skills in college options are more advanced, but less broad and open.

In this case and in many subjective cases "open" is relative which is why I suggested CS to be relatively more "open" in regarsd to options than physics.
 
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While I think ModusPwnd took it too far, I think there is an important idea there. Eventually, one has to specialize, and that means closing some doors. As they say, "not to decide is to decide".
 

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