Does Bending Space/Time Have Credibility?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the credibility of examples used to illustrate the concept of bending space/time and the potential for time travel. Participants explore whether such representations are scientifically acceptable or merely oversimplifications, with a focus on their utility in understanding complex physical principles.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the credibility of examples like bending a sheet of paper to represent time travel, suggesting they may not be taken seriously in the scientific community.
  • Another participant dismisses such examples as "worthless junk," indicating a strong skepticism towards their validity.
  • A different viewpoint acknowledges that while these examples can simplify complex principles, they often misrepresent key aspects, leading to potentially misleading conclusions.
  • Some participants note that despite their limitations, these examples can still provide initial insights into complex topics, such as time travel through concepts like wormholes.
  • Reference to the "balloon analogy" is made as a model that illustrates certain aspects of space/time, with a suggestion to explore its uses and limitations further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with some viewing the examples as lacking credibility while others see them as potentially useful, albeit limited. No consensus is reached regarding their overall acceptability in scientific discourse.

Contextual Notes

Limitations of the discussed examples include their oversimplification of complex physical principles and the potential for misrepresentation of underlying concepts. The discussion does not resolve the validity of these models.

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Many a times I see people giving awkward(as they are to me) examples of bending space/time or traveling through different dimensions of space e.g. I once saw a person demonstrating bending of space/time by bending a sheet of paper(like U) and then joining the ends while marking one end with 2013 and the other end with 1000 BC with a pin, and then explaining that like these ends are now joined, similarly the space/time can be joined and we can travel from 2013 to 1000 BC if we bend the space. This was done by a person who is a pass out of one of India's top science college IIT-Bombay. Likewise, once I saw someone on TV on Discovery channel mixing two glasses of liquids of different colors while trying to make us understand about some space connectivity(this one really bounced over my head! :( ).
I just want to know whether such examples hold any credibility, are worth discussing, are acceptable among the scientific community or not?
 
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Worthless junk, as far as I'm concerned.
 
In most cases these examples can be understood as simplified representation of some aspects of an underlying physical principle. But in most cases they misrepresent other aspects!

So be careful, b/c if you start asking questions like "look, if I use this model and do xyz" then in most cases xyz belongs to the aspects not represented correctly and you are not asking questions regarding the physical principle anymore, but about the misrepresentation. The question is therefore not applicable. Any "explanation" using such representations should always come with a caveat.
 
Almost all such examples have limitations, but may remain useful for initial and limited
understanding.

Regarding time travel, which you posted, consider reading about 'wormholes'.

For an example of a model and a good explanation of its uses and limitations, check this out:

THE BALLOON ANALOGY

http://www.phinds.com/balloonanalogy/

Obviously, some explanations and models are better than others.
 

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