Does Charge Conjugation Flip Spin?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of charge conjugation on the spin of particles, particularly whether charge conjugation flips spin. Participants reference various texts, including Perkins and Griffiths, to explore the relationship between charge conjugation, spin, and other transformations like time reversal and parity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that charge conjugation does not change the spin of a particle, as particles and their antiparticles share the same spin.
  • Others argue that the spin component can change under time reversal, but the total spin remains unaffected by charge conjugation.
  • There is a clarification that the total spin is represented by the eigenvalue of the spin operator squared, while the spin component is related to a specific axis.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the notation used in quantum mechanics, particularly the notation ^{x}S_{y}, and seeks clarification on its meaning.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between total spin and spin components, noting that terminology can lead to misunderstandings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether charge conjugation flips spin, with multiple competing views presented regarding the effects of charge conjugation and time reversal on spin.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the notation used in quantum mechanics and the specific definitions of spin and its components, which contribute to the confusion among participants.

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Hi,

According to Perkins (4th edition, pg 73 section 3.6) the operation of charge conjugation reverses the sign of the charge and the magnetic moment of a particle. Does this mean the spin also flips?

But according to Griffiths, the spin is untouched by charge conjugation.

What operation flips a particle to its antiparticle?

I'm a bit confused, because I wrote in my class notes that spin flips under charge conjugation. But I don't see how it should.

Thanks in advance.
 
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A particle and it's anti-particle have the same spin, so it doesn't change under charge conjugation.

A particle's spin state is described by a state such as |s,m\rangle. The quantum number s is the spin, which is unaffected by charge conjugation, time reversal or parity. The quantum number m is the spin component along some axis and changes sign under time reversal alone.
 
xepma said:
The quantum number s is the spin, which is unaffected by charge conjugation, time reversal or parity.

That is not correct. Time reversal flips the spin (Table 3.2, Perkins, page 82). Parity does not. Perhaps you meant something else?
 
It flips the spin component n, not the total spin s of the particle. A negative, total spin doesn't exist. It's the magnitude of the spin. A negative spin-component does exist, and this indeed flips under time reversal.

Just for the record, the total spin is the eigenvalue of the spin operator squared, S^2. The spin component is the eigenvalue of the spin operator along some particular axis, S_z
 
Thanks for your reply xepma.

xepma said:
It flips the spin component n, not the total spin s of the particle. A negative, total spin doesn't exist. It's the magnitude of the spin. A negative spin-component does exist, and this indeed flips under time reversal.

Just for the record, the total spin is the eigenvalue of the spin operator squared, S^2. The spin component is the eigenvalue of the spin operator along some particular axis, S_z

Ok I think I see why I'm so confused. When you said total spin s, did you mean s^2?

Also, what does the notation ^{x}S_{y} mean? I know it means a singlet spin state, but what do x and y denote? So many holes in my atomic physics :-( [never did a course on atomic or nuclear physics. Did two courses on QM, never really encountered this notation.]

I have another question, which I think is related: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=375609.

EDIT: I think its just a matter of notation. Correct me if I'm wrong: you're saying S_{z} flips sign under time reversal. The eigenvalue of S_z, denoted by m_s therefore flips sign. The total spin angular momentum squared is S^2 = \boldsymbol{S}\cdot\boldsymbol{S}[/itex] and <i>its</i> eigenvalue is s(s+1).<br /> <br /> PS - Please have a look at the other question too.
 
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Yea, by total spin I meant the s in s(s+1) which is the eigenvalue of the total spin angular momentum squared, S^2.

I agree with you that it can be a little confusing, because "spin" can really refer to the total spin, but also the spin component along some axis. These are, ofcourse, not really interchangeable.

I haven't seen the notation ^{x}S_{y} before.. do you have a reference for it?

We all have gaps in our knowledge. No shame in that :)
 
xepma said:
I haven't seen the notation ^{x}S_{y} before.. do you have a reference for it?

I'm sorry I think this is called S-state (?). I came across something like this with a P instead of an S, in Perkins. Its supposed to be a favorite thing to put in PGRE :rolleyes:

We all have gaps in our knowledge. No shame in that :)

Particle Physics exam tomorrow morning :bugeye:

Also: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=375638
 
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