Does Dark Energy Explain the Expansion of Space in Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between dark energy and the expansion of space as described in the context of relativity. Participants explore the implications of length contraction and how it relates to the perception of space between objects moving relative to each other, questioning whether this could explain the phenomenon attributed to dark energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that as a particle approaches a planet, the space behind it expands relative to an observer, potentially explaining dark energy as an effect of expanding space.
  • Another participant counters that length contraction is a coordinate effect and does not imply that space expands behind the particle.
  • A third participant clarifies that the concept of space shrinking is a misunderstanding of Special Relativity, emphasizing that distances between objects decrease as they move towards each other without space itself contracting.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding whether space decreases in the direction of the moving object relative to an object it is moving toward, with one participant expressing confusion about the nature of length contraction.
  • Another participant explains that length contraction is about the measurement of distances between moving endpoints and is not due to space itself contracting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of length contraction and its implications for the concept of expanding space. No consensus is reached on the relationship between these concepts and dark energy.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms like "space" and "length contraction," as well as the assumptions underlying the interpretations of relativity. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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TL;DR
Is dark energy a manifestation of relativity?
Consider a particle traveling near the speed of light towards a planet- relativity states that the space according to the particle shrinks between the particle and the planet as the particle accelerates toward the planet.
My question is - would the space behind the particle expand relative to an observer watching it accelerate away?
If this is true this would create the impression of expanding space between objects moving away from each other (dark energy).
Dark energy = solved!
 
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Sachabloke said:
would the space behind the particle expand relative to an observer watching it accelerate away?
No. Length contraction is just a coordinate effect, and applies to all lengths parallel to the direction of motion, independent of the position of what it is you are measuring.
Sachabloke said:
If this is true this would create the impression of expanding space between objects moving away from each other (dark energy).
This is not what dark energy is. Dark energy is a negative pressure term in the stress-energy tensor, not a coordinate effect.
 
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Sachabloke said:
relativity states that the space according to the particle shrinks between the particle and the planet as the particle accelerates toward the planet.
This is a very common misunderstanding, but that is not what Special Relativity says. One way to see this is to consider the situation from the point of view of an observer midway between the particle and the planet, so that both are approaching from opposite directions at the same speed. Clearly the the distance between the particle and the planet is getting smaller - that's what "moving towards one another" means - but there's no reason for space to be shrinking anywhere. It is also worth spending some time with the classic pole-barn paradox (google will find many good discussions) of SR to get a better feel for how length contraction does work.

In any case, the answer to your question
would the space behind the particle expand relative to an observer watching it accelerate away?
is "No."
 
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Thanks for the quick reply! To clarify- lengths parallel to the moving body would decrease (Lorentz contraction) but space would also decrease in the direction of the moving object relative to an object it is moving toward, can you confirm this?
Many thanks!
 
Sachabloke said:
To clarify- lengths parallel to the moving body would decrease (Lorentz contraction) but space would also decrease in the direction of the moving object relative to an object it is moving toward,
This seems to be rather confused. Length contraction means that any length you measure where the end points are moving with respect to you is shorter than when measured by someone who sees the end points at rest. This does include distances between objects, yes. But it isn't really due to "space contracting". It's more closely related to the fact that distance between two lines depends on the angle you measure at (but you have to think about time as a dimension for this to make sense).
 
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