Does Euler Force Affect Flight Experiments on Earth?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of the Euler force on flight experiments conducted on Earth, particularly considering the angular acceleration of the Earth and its implications for aircraft in flight. Participants explore the nature of fictitious forces in non-inertial frames and their relevance to both surface and airborne objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Euler force, being a fictitious force, affects movements measured from the Earth's surface, raising questions about its relevance to aircraft.
  • Others argue that the angular acceleration of the Earth is negligible in most applications, suggesting that the Euler force may not significantly impact flight experiments.
  • One participant expresses confusion about whether to include the Euler force in their analysis of forces acting on a plane, given that it is not on the surface of the Earth.
  • There is a suggestion that while the Euler force may be negligible in the Earth's frame, it could be significant in other reference frames.
  • Some participants discuss the constancy of the Earth's rotation and its minimal acceleration, referencing tidal forces and their effects on the Earth's rotation frequency.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the Euler force affects objects in the air differently than those on the surface, leading to further clarification needs regarding its definition and implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of the Euler force in relation to flight experiments. Multiple competing views remain regarding its relevance and impact on aircraft, as well as the interpretation of angular acceleration in different reference frames.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the chosen reference frame for analyzing the Euler force and the unresolved nature of how fictitious forces should be treated in relation to airborne objects versus those on the surface.

superyuby
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Hello! I am currently starting my thesis, and I would be pleased if you could help me.
As it is an ficticious force for non inertial frame, the Euler force affects every movement measured from the surface of the Earth.
But, it is related to the angular acceleration changes of our planet, so, Does it affect to a plane?
I mean, angular acceleration changes affect experiments that take place on the surface.
Sorry for my English! I know I am not good explaining myself.
Thank you for your replies.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
superyuby said:
But, it is related to the angular acceleration changes of our planet,
The Euler force is related to angular acceleration itself.

superyuby said:
Does it affect to a plane?
The angular acceleration of the Earth is tiny, and negligible in most applications.
 
A.T. said:
The Euler force is related to angular acceleration itself.

The angular acceleration of the Earth is tiny, and negligible in most applications.
Thank you for yout answer!
Yeah, I know that the angular acceleration is tiny, but I have to mention every force that act on a plane, including fictious forces.
Would you say that a plane is affected by the Euler Force?
Because the plane is not on the surface of the Earth, and this Euler forces would not affect because the plane is not ON a inertial frame wouldn't day?
I am a little bit confused
 
superyuby said:
I have to mention every force that act on a plane, including fictious forces.
In the reference frame of the Earth? You can pick some other frame where the Euler force on the plane is huge. But in the frame of the Earth it's like nothing. Compute it and see.
 
A.T. said:
In the reference frame of the Earth? You can pick some other frame where the Euler force on the plane is huge. But in the frame of the Earth it's like nothing. Compute it and see.
Yeah, every force is measured from the surface of the Earth. This is, the angular acceleration of the Earth acts on the measurer, not on the plane, so I don't know if enumerate it or not, because the Euler force doesn't affect to the plane.
But I am not sure about my afirmations.
 
Is the Earth's rotation accelerating? It seems pretty constant to me.
 
superyuby said:
This is, the angular acceleration of the Earth acts on the measurer, not on the plane,
The angular acceleration of the chosen reference frame determines the Euler force on all objects in an analysis based on that frame.
 
Khashishi said:
Is the Earth's rotation accelerating?
The rotation is changing negligibly, due to tidal torques, seasonal mass redistribution etc.
 
Khashishi said:
Is the Earth's rotation accelerating? It seems pretty constant to me.
It has a little bit acceleration, but it is extremely tiny. You can search "Tidal acceleration". The Tidal forces that are caused by the Moon are decreasing in a very very small quantity the rotation frequency of the Earth. So, the fictious force to compensate this effect if we make experiments on the surface of the Earth is called the "Euler Force"
But I don't know if it act on planes, which are not on the surface :L

Thank you for the answer!
 
  • #10
A.T. said:
The angular acceleration of the chosen reference frame determines the Euler force on all objects in an analysis based on that frame.
Thank you! That was one of my options. I was so confused because the definition of the Euler Force. As it's based on the acceleration of the Earth, I did not know if it affects on objects on the surface and in the air in the same way.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
5K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K