Does GR contradict Mach's principle?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Ken G
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gr Principle
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the relationship between General Relativity (GR) and Mach's principle, particularly addressing whether GR contradicts Mach's principle. It is established that GR allows for non-Machian solutions, such as the Godel metric, but this does not imply a fundamental inconsistency with Mach's principle. The Brans-Dicke (BD) theory, which is more aligned with Mach's principle, introduces additional parameters that can recover GR under certain conditions. However, current evidence suggests that the universe behaves in a non-Machian manner, with the parameter \(\omega\) in BD gravity being significantly large, indicating limited Machian characteristics.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of General Relativity (GR) and its implications
  • Familiarity with Brans-Dicke gravity and its parameters
  • Knowledge of Mach's principle and its interpretations
  • Basic grasp of differential equations as they relate to gravitational theories
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the implications of the Godel metric in General Relativity
  • Study the Brans-Dicke theory and its parameter \(\omega\)
  • Explore the philosophical interpretations of Mach's principle in modern physics
  • Investigate the relationship between inertia and mass distribution in the universe
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, cosmologists, and students of theoretical physics interested in the foundations of gravitational theories and the philosophical implications of inertia and motion in the universe.

  • #31
Jonathan Scott said:
...This illustrates that the experimental proof that the G value used in GR is a constant for purposes of solar system experiments does not on its own rule out Machian theories which involve a value of G that varies with location.
Can it be taken here that Gs is specifically applied to both active gravitational mass ma and passive mass mp, and that the latter follows from applying WEP - ie mp = mi. So there is a chain of logic leading from Mach's principle that originally dealt only with inertia hence inertial mass mi, and the other two are 'derived' from that?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Q-reeus said:
Can it be taken here that Gs is specifically applied to both active gravitational mass ma and passive mass mp, and that the latter follows from applying WEP - ie mp = mi. So there is a chain of logic leading from Mach's principle that originally dealt only with inertia hence inertial mass mi, and the other two are 'derived' from that?

Sorry, I can't give you a good answer at the moment. I often have difficulty handling these sort of questions nowadays, because once you start talking about ideas which are not part of GR, it's tricky to remember exactly what holds and what doesn't, and it's years since I had time to really think about this area. Also, I've just had Sunday lunch.

I certainly generally assume active and passive mass are the same, and I seem to remember that in Sciama's type of Machian approach, all masses and distances are relative anyway; if you double all mass values in the universe, or all distances, nothing different happens.
 
  • #33
Jonathan Scott said:
...Also, I've just had Sunday lunch...
Can't argue with that - hope it was nice.
...I certainly generally assume active and passive mass are the same, and I seem to remember that in Sciama's type of Machian approach, all masses and distances are relative anyway; if you double all mass values in the universe, or all distances, nothing different happens.
Presumably this is relative to some given time-like hyperslice. Not at all sure but had thought Hubble redshift could be interpreted as Mach's principle operating across different eras - ie back then with matter being crowded together, inertia was much greater wrt 'now', hence 'time/light-frequency much slower'. I realize 'expanding space' is the usual interpretation, but just like with ordinary gravitational redshift there can be alternate pov's ('tiring' light or slower clocks in that case).
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
928
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
7K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 67 ·
3
Replies
67
Views
10K
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K