Does gravity affect Brownian Motion?

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The discussion centers on the effects of gravity on Brownian motion, particularly in different gravitational environments such as the International Space Station (ISS) compared to Earth. Participants explore theoretical implications, experimental observations, and biological considerations related to the random motion of particles in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes differences in passive diffusion rates in microgravity, questioning whether the random walk of particles like pollen slows down compared to Earth.
  • Another participant references Chandrasekhar's paper on stochastic processes, suggesting that it provides insights into the behavior of particles under the influence of gravity and viscous damping.
  • A participant explains that convection operates differently in microgravity, which may affect diffusion but emphasizes that this is distinct from Brownian motion itself.
  • There is a proposal to model the effects of gravity on Brownian motion using a modified Langevin equation, indicating that gravity may influence denser particles but could be negligible under certain conditions.
  • A later post updates the discussion by referencing specific content in Chandrasekhar's paper regarding gravity's effects on Brownian motion.

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Participants express varying views on the influence of gravity on Brownian motion, with no consensus reached. Some focus on theoretical modeling while others emphasize experimental observations and biological implications.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature and density, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed models.

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Brownian motion of free falling ISS vs Brownian Motion on Earth
I know passive diffusion rates behave differently on the International Space Station relative to Earth (video of a contained flame experiment burning up there.) However, does the random walk of pollen particles etc. have slowed velocity in comparison to that on Earth? Has been bugging me for a while, as I was wondering how our biology deals with slower Brownian mtion if so...
 
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Chandrasekhar wrote an excellent paper on Stochastic Problems in Physics and Astronomy in 1943. You can find his paper in N. Wax's Book in Dover, "Selected Papers..." To make a long story short, in an early chapter, Chandrasekar demonstrates the exponential atmpsphere is the steady state solution for a falling particle with viscous damping rebounding from a fixed surface (the ground). The nice feature of the paper is that it also demonstrates the transient (i.e. time dependent) solution showing how the equilibrium solution is approached. Wax's book has many good papers along these lines.
 
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Summary:: Brownian motion of free falling ISS vs Brownian Motion on Earth

video of a contained flame experiment burning up there.
That has less to do with diffusion differences and more to do with the fact that convection operates differently in microgravity. Basically, hot air rises in a gravitational field because it is less dense than cold air. In microgravity, this buoyant force doesn’t exist or is much smaller, so that the hot carbon dioxide generated by a flame does not rise away from the flame to make way for fresh air to sustain the reaction.
dedocta said:
Summary:: Brownian motion of free falling ISS vs Brownian Motion on Earth

However, does the random walk of pollen particles etc. have slowed velocity in comparison to that on Earth? Has been bugging me for a while, as I was wondering how our biology deals with slower Brownian mtion if so...
You can model this straightforwardly by adding a gravity term to the Langevin equation
$$\dot{\mathbf{v}}=-\gamma\mathbf{v}+\sigma\mathbf{\xi}(t)-\mathbf{g}$$
Gravity will pull denser particles in the direction of the gravitational source, but if the noise term is large (at higher T, for instance), or the drag term is large (at higher density, for instance), then gravity will become irrelevant.
 
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update on my earlier post. N.B. the page 57 of the Chadrasekhar paper concerning gravity effects on Brownian motio
 

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