Does Moving a Wire Increase its Magnetic Field?

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The discussion centers around the effects of moving a current-carrying wire on its associated magnetic field. Participants explore whether moving the wire itself influences the magnetic field measured at a fixed point, considering both qualitative and mathematical perspectives. The conversation touches on relativistic effects and the implications of the wire's charge state.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if moving a wire carrying current upward affects the magnetic field at a fixed point, seeking clarification on the relationship between wire movement and magnetic field strength.
  • Another participant references a relativistic treatment of the wire at rest and suggests applying a Lorentz boost to analyze the situation when the wire is in motion.
  • A qualitative response indicates that in the frame of a moving wire, an electric field is generated radially outward, and the magnetic field strength increases by the Lorentz factor.
  • A further contribution challenges the assumption that the wire is uncharged in its rest frame, arguing that this is a common misconception in textbooks and highlighting the role of the self-induced Hall effect in understanding the wire's behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the charge state of the wire in its rest frame and the implications for the magnetic field. There is no consensus on the correctness of the relativistic treatment of the wire, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the treatment of the wire's charge state and the resulting electric field may not be adequately addressed in many standard textbooks, suggesting limitations in the conventional understanding of the problem.

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Folks,

I'm not sure if this is the correct forum topic for my question, but it seems to be close or related.

Question: If you have a wire carrying current then it creates a magnetic field as in the diagram in the link below.
https://nationalmaglab.org/educatio...ay/interactive/magnetic-field-around-a-wire-i
The electrons are moving upwards. What happens if you then move the wire itself upward at a constant speed ?
Does that in any way add to or help the current in any way ? In other words does the magnetic field increase when measured at a fixed point ?

Thanks James
 
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jamesconnolly81 said:
Does that in any way add to or help the current in any way ? In other words does the magnetic field increase when measured at a fixed point ?
@vanhees71 gave the mathematical answer, so I will add a qualitative answer. Around an uncharged current-carrying wire we have no E field and the B field is in the plane perpendicular to the wire.

You can use the equations in this link to determine the fields in a frame where the wire is moving: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_electromagnetism_and_special_relativity

Briefly, you get an E-field pointing radially outward from the wire and the B field increases by the usual Lorentz factor.
 
But in the rest frame of the wire you have a transverse E-field (in addition to the E-field along the wire keeping the current flowing), and the wire is not uncharged! That's the important point of the above quoted Insights article. Amazingly the relativistic treatment of the current-conducting wire is wrong in many textbook by just assuming that the wire is uncharged in the wire restframe, which however is wrong due to the correct relativistic version of Ohm's Law. As shown in the Insights article (and the nice paper quoted in there), the wire is uncharged in the rest frame of the conduction electrons. All this is easily understood as a consequence of the "self-induced Hall effect" on the current.
 

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