Does pair production involve helium nuclei in creating matter?

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The discussion centers around the process of pair production and its relation to helium nuclei in the context of matter creation. Participants explore the mechanisms of pair production, the role of heavy nuclei, and the conditions under which this phenomenon occurs, including theoretical implications related to the early Universe.

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  • Some participants propose that pair production occurs when a photon strikes a heavy nucleus, which could be helium, but others argue that the specific type of nucleus is not critical for the process.
  • It is noted that low energy targets for pair production are typically metals like aluminum or copper, and that the process should not be thought of merely as a collision or disintegration.
  • One participant mentions that pair production can occur with two photons, where one is a high-energy gamma ray and the other is a virtual photon from the electric field near a nucleus.
  • There is a discussion about the cross section for pair production, with some participants suggesting it increases with atomic weight while others clarify it is more accurately related to the nuclear charge, Z.
  • A participant highlights the historical context of pair production in the early Universe, linking it to the formation of simple elements like hydrogen and helium shortly after the Big Bang.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that with sufficient energy, particle-antiparticle pairs of various types, including protons and antiprotons, can be produced, raising questions about the matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of helium nuclei in pair production, the relationship between atomic weight and cross section, and the implications of pair production in the early Universe. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the conditions necessary for pair production and the definitions of terms like cross section and atomic weight, which may not be fully clarified in the discussion.

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Does pair production use helium nuclei for matter creation?

Pair production occurs when a photon (Light Particle) strikes a heavy nucleus, it disintegrates and produces a pair of an electron and a positron. Is that heavy nucleus of Helium?
 
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The heavy nucleus can be anything, doesn't matter. Its just there to conserve momentum! No other point.
 
Not normally, but it may be.
Low energy targets for pair production from light are typically metals like aluminium or copper.

Note: it is not usually helpful to think of the process as a collision or a disintegration.
 
In principle you only need two photons for pair production. Usually, however, one photon comes from a high-energy gamma ray and the second one is a "virtual" photon from the electric field close to a nucleus. Heavier nuclei have stronger electric fields. The nucleus is not directly affected by the pair production process.
 
Thr cross section for pair production increases with atomic weight.
 
mathman said:
Thr cross section for pair production increases with atomic weight.

Does it? I thought it went as Z squared.
 
mathman did not say how it increased ;)
@avito009: has your question been answered yet?
 
The cross section should increase with the nuclear charge, Z, not its mass.
The cross section for normal Hydrogen, Deuterium and Tritium should be the same, even though they have different atomic masses.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Does it? I thought it went as Z squared.
It does depend on atomic number, but I believe it is more complicated
 
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Actually I will tell you why I asked the question. Especially why I asked about helium.

Pair production is one of the primary methods of forming matter in the early Universe. So 3 seconds after the Big Bang Protons and neutrons came together to form the nuclei of simple elements: hydrogen, helium and lithium. It took another 300,000 years for electrons to be captured into orbits around these nuclei to form stable atoms.

So early on Hygrogen and Helium were created. So for pair production to happen a photon (Light Particle) should strike a heavy nucleus (Which according to me is Helium nucleus), so that it disintegrates and produces a pair of an electron and a positron.

But after reading some more I realized this could be the wrong approach as Pair Production can happen when two high energy gamma ray photons collide and an electron-positron pair are produced (Energy is converted to mass E=MC2)
 
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Given enough energy you can produce particle-antiparticle pairs of almost anything, including protons and antiprotons.

The real question is: Why was more matter produced than antimatter?
 

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