Creating Matter from Light: How Does It Work?

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The discussion revolves around the processes by which matter can be created from light, specifically focusing on the production of electron-positron pairs through photon interactions. Participants explore the mechanisms involved, including photon collisions and interactions with heavy nuclei, while also addressing the implications of the term "collision" in the context of particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that matter can be created from light through two primary processes: a photon striking a heavy nucleus or the collision of two photons.
  • Others clarify that both processes occur, with the first being more common.
  • There is a debate regarding the meaning of "collision" in the context of photons, with some suggesting that it implies physical existence, while others argue that photons can indeed interact.
  • One participant questions the material existence of photons, prompting discussions about definitions and the implications of such existence in physics.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for a clear definition of "material existence" to address the question of whether photons possess it.
  • A later reply suggests that the discussion may be veering off-topic and calls for a return to the original question about matter creation from light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that both processes of matter creation from light are valid, but there is significant disagreement regarding the interpretation of "collision" and the material existence of photons. The discussion remains unresolved on these conceptual points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations related to the definitions of terms like "material existence" and the implications of photon interactions, which are not universally agreed upon. There are unresolved questions about the nature of photons and their interactions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in particle physics, the nature of light, and the philosophical implications of physical existence in scientific discourse.

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How does matter be created from light? When a photon strikes a heavy nucleus, it disintegrates and produces a pair of an electron and a positron.

Or

Two photons are collided and an electron positron pair is produced.

Which is true?
 
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Both processes happen, but the first is much more common.
 
avito009 said:
How does matter be created from light? When a photon strikes a heavy nucleus, it disintegrates and produces a pair of an electron and a positron.

Or

Two photons are collided and an electron positron pair is produced.

Which is true?

DaleSpam said:
Both processes happen, but the first is much more common.

I didn't understand the meaning of collision used here. If we search the meaning of the word collide, we get the following results:

hit by accident when moving.
"she collided with someone"
synonyms: crash (into), come into collision (with), bang (into), slam (into), impact (with); hit, strike, run into, meet head-on, smash into, smack into, cannon into, plough into, bump into, crack into/against, knock into, dash against; informalbarrel into
"she collided with someone"

I seems that the word collision is related to the things which have physical existence. I think there is no significance in speaking about the collision of photons (tiny packets of energy).
 
Meson080 said:
I didn't understand the meaning of collision used here. If we search the meaning of the word collide, we get the following results:

In particle physics, "collision" has a specific technical meaning that you won't find in non-specialist sources. The best layman-friendly synonym (which many of us prefer) is "interaction", and you won't go too far wrong if you mentally substitute "interaction" for "collision" throughout this thread.

(And I do feel compelled to point out that "Large Hadron Interactor" and "Superconducting Superinteractor" don't sound quite as cool as "Large Hadron Collider" and "Superconducting Supercollider" :smile:).
 
Meson080 said:
I seems that the word collision is related to the things which have physical existence. I think there is no significance in speaking about the collision of photons (tiny packets of energy).

I don't understand this comment. Photons certainly have physical existence. How do you think you are reading this post? They can collide (i.e interact). As you said, they are "tiny packets of energy". Why does this make you think they don't have physical existence?
 
Meson080 said:
I didn't understand the meaning of collision used here. If we search the meaning of the word collide, we get the following results:

hit by accident when moving.
"she collided with someone"
synonyms: crash (into), come into collision (with), bang (into), slam (into), impact (with); hit, strike, run into, meet head-on, smash into, smack into, cannon into, plough into, bump into, crack into/against, knock into, dash against; informalbarrel into
"she collided with someone"

I seems that the word collision is related to the things which have physical existence. I think there is no significance in speaking about the collision of photons (tiny packets of energy).

Uhhhh...? Photons have physical existence, you know that, right?
 
dauto said:
Uhhhh...? Photons have physical existence, you know that, right?

I did't know that photons have physical existence (Having substance or material existence). Has it been proved that they have material existence?
 
Meson080 said:
I did't know that photons have physical existence (Having substance or material existence). Has it been proved that they have material existence?

You would need to define what you mean by having material existence. I think any reasonable definition would conclude that they do. They carry energy and momentum, for example. Light striking an object exerts a force on the object. How can it exert a force unless the light has physical existence? How can you see things if light doesn't have physical existence?
 
Meson080 said:
I did't know that photons have physical existence (Having substance or material existence). Has it been proved that they have material existence?

That question cannot be answered without an agreed-upon definition of "material existence", and that cannot be found through the methods of empirical science. Physics can tell us about the measurable properties and behaviors of various things, from supernovae to subatomic particles and photons, but "material existence" is not one of these properties/behaviors.

If we cannot pull this thread back to the original question, I expect that a moderator will (rightly) lock it as out-of-scope for PF.
 
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Nugatory said:
If we cannot pull this thread back to the original question, I expect that a moderator will (rightly) lock it as out-of-scope for PF.

Yes. Let us please focus on the original question and let us stop discussing things like "material existence".
 
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The original question was answered in post #2. It looks to me like we are done.
 
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Right. So let us wait for the OP to post again. Maybe he has more questions or something is still unclear.
 

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