Pair Production in Empty Space

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of pair production, specifically in the context of whether a nucleus is required for the creation of electron-positron pairs and how this relates to conditions in the early universe. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative reasoning about particle interactions and the early universe's conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of a nucleus for pair production, suggesting that in the early universe, two photons could facilitate this process without a nucleus.
  • Another participant clarifies that the conservation of squared total 4-momentum, rather than just linear momentum, is crucial for pair production, and notes that the early universe's conditions involved thermal equilibrium between photons and fermions.
  • A different perspective is offered, indicating that pair production does not solely rely on nuclei, as quarks in a quark-gluon plasma can also facilitate the process.
  • It is mentioned that pair production from two photons has been experimentally observed in colliders.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of pair production and the role of nuclei versus other particles, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the conditions in the early universe and the specific interactions involved in pair production, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I am not sure this question has been asked here before but I am curious about it. From the Modern Physics Course, I learned that we need a nucleus to create an electron and positron pair (with a photon). And the reason is stated as to conserve linear momentum. If this is the case then how the electrons or quarks created in the early universe?

Is it because in the near-nucleus case we have 1 photon that is creating 2-pairs and in the early universe we can have 2 photons so that there's no need a nucleus or there's something else?
 
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Arman777 said:
And the reason is stated as to conserve linear momentum.
Truth with modification. The reason is conservation of squared total 4-momentum, i.e., com energy.

Arman777 said:
If this is the case then how the electrons or quarks created in the early universe?
This has nothing to do with pair production. If it did there would be equal amounts of quarks and antiquarks, etc. Instead, you need to create a baryon asymmetry. We don't know how that happened, but there are some theories.

In the early universe, photons and fermions were at thermal equilibrium. Mainly due to 2-to-2 scatters. There was almost as much antimatter as matter. As the universe cooled down, the symmetric component annihilated away, leaving just the asymmetric component as surplus matter.
 
Arman777 said:
Is it because in the near-nucleus case we have 1 photon that is creating 2-pairs and in the early universe we can have 2 photons so that there's no need a nucleus or there's something else?
That is a possible process, but there were also other particles around. It doesn't have to be a nucleus, a quark in a quark gluon plasma does the job as well, for example.

Pair production from two photons has been observed in colliders, by the way.
 
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Pair production in the early universe was essentially photon-photon interaction. (Note mfb comment).
 
I see now, thanks all
 

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