Does pointwise convergence guarantee the intermediate value property?

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The discussion revolves around whether pointwise convergence of a sequence of functions guarantees that the limit function possesses the intermediate value property. Participants explore various conditions under which this might hold and provide counterexamples to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that pointwise convergence does not guarantee the intermediate value property, citing counterexamples such as the sequence f_n = x^n on [0,1], which converges pointwise to a function that does not have the property.
  • Others argue that for a sequence of continuous functions, uniform convergence is necessary for the limit function to retain continuity and the intermediate value property.
  • A participant suggests that if the sequence of functions is increasing and continuous, then the set {x in R : f(x)>a} must be open, which would imply the intermediate value property, although they acknowledge the lack of uniform convergence.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that the intermediate value property can be guaranteed without uniform convergence, mentioning examples where the property holds but the set {x in R : f(x)>a} is not open.
  • A specific example is provided where a sequence of continuous functions converges pointwise to a function that is not continuous and does not satisfy the intermediate value property, illustrating the limitations of pointwise convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether pointwise convergence can ensure the intermediate value property, with multiple competing views and examples presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which the property may hold.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the nature of convergence (pointwise vs. uniform) and the continuity of the functions involved. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of the intermediate value property in relation to the openness of certain sets.

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If a sequence of functions f_n converges pointwise to a bounded function f, does f have the intermediate value property? If not, are there some conditions that will make it so?
 
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No. Consider f_n = f for all f and f(x) = 0 for x<1 and 1 for x geq 1.

The intermediate value property holds for continuous functions. But even then pointwise convergence is not enough. Consider f_n=x^n on [0,1]. The limiting function is f(x)=0 for x in [0,1) and f(1)=1.

However, the limit of a sequence of continuous functions will be continuous if you have uniform convergence.
 
Treadstone 71 said:
If a sequence of functions f_n converges pointwise to a bounded function f, does f have the intermediate value property? If not, are there some conditions that will make it so?

As stated this is trivially false. Surely you mean f_n to be continuous at the very least.
 
I don't have uniform convergence. But suppose (f_n) is an increasing sequence of continuous functions on R. Suppose (f_n) converges pointwise to f, then {x in R : f(x)>a} must be open, and I can show this if I had the intermediate value property.
 
Actually I don't think this is true without uniform convergence. I can think of functions that satisfy the intermediate value property and yet {x in R : f(x)>a} is not open, even closed. I'll repost in the homework section.
 
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Let fn(x)= 0 is x<0, nx if 0<= x<= 1/n, 1 if x> 1/n.

Each such f is continuous but the sequence converges pointwise to
f(x)= 0 if x<= 0, 1 if x> 0 which is not continuous and does not satisfy the intermediate value property.
 

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