Does Schrödinger's Cat Age If Found Alive?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment, specifically addressing whether the cat ages while in the box, assuming the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. The conversation explores theoretical aspects of quantum superposition and the nature of observation in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the cat is found alive, it must have aged while in the box, as otherwise, it would imply a method for achieving eternal life through quantum events.
  • Others express uncertainty about how the cat can age if it exists in a superposition of states, questioning the nature of its existence while in the box.
  • A later reply suggests that if Schrödinger's example is taken literally, the cat exists in a superposition of both alive and aging, and dead and disintegrating states.
  • Some participants clarify that the superposition is not static and evolves over time, indicating that the states would change as time progresses.
  • One participant notes that, according to quantum mechanics, once the observation occurs, the quantum weirdness is resolved, and classical behavior resumes.
  • There is mention of ongoing issues within the quantum mechanics formalism that remain unresolved, suggesting further exploration may be needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the cat can age while in the box, with some asserting it can and others questioning the implications of superposition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the cat's aging in relation to quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the implications of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the definitions of superposition and the role of observation. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between quantum states and classical aging.

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Considering only the Copenhagen interpretation, discounting the cat as an observer, and assuming wave function collapse at the time of opening the box - if you find the cat alive, has it aged whilst in the box?

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iMatt said:
Considering only the Copenhagen interpretation, discounting the cat as an observer, and assuming wave function collapse at the time of opening the box - if you find the cat alive, has it aged whilst in the box?

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Yes. Otherwise, this would be a sure way to secure nearly eternal life. Set up a ridiculously low probability quantum event to kill you, and move into a box.
 
Heinera said:
Yes. Otherwise, this would be a sure way to secure nearly eternal life. Set up a ridiculously low probability quantum event to kill you, and move into a box.

Agree re eternal life. I am just not sure how the cat can age unless it exists in a alive state it's whole time in the box, rather than the neither alive nor dead state that I thought was the case. Probably a simple answer but seems to be escaping me.
 
iMatt said:
Agree re eternal life. I am just not sure how the cat can age unless it exists in a alive state it's whole time in the box, rather than the neither alive nor dead state that I thought was the case. Probably a simple answer but seems to be escaping me.
Well, if we take Schrödinger's example literally (he actually devised this thought experiment with some tongue in cheek to argue against the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation) then the cat would be in a superposition of a dead and disintegrating cat and a live and aging cat. So if you find the cat alive, it would also have properly aged during the box time.
 
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Ok thanks. It seems that the superposition is not a static thing, but evolves with time as the separate states would.
 
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iMatt said:
Ok thanks. It seems that the superposition is not a static thing, but evolves with time as the separate states would.
Exactly. In a superpostion of states, the states that are superpositioned will still evolve as time goes by.
 
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Heinera said:
Well, if we take Schrödinger's example literally (he actually devised this thought experiment with some tongue in cheek to argue against the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation) then the cat would be in a superposition of a dead and disintegrating cat and a live and aging cat. So if you find the cat alive, it would also have properly aged during the box time.

Of course it has. According to QM here in the macro world everything is common-sense classical. The quantum weirdness occurred at the particle detector - after that nothing strange happened.

The issue is using just the QM formalism proving its like that. Great progress has been made but a few issues remain. Start a new thread if you want to know more about that.

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