Does Stiff Soil Resonate with Short Storey Buildings During Seismic Movements?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between stiff soil, specifically tuff rock, and the resonance effects on short storey buildings during seismic movements. Participants explore whether there is a formula that relates the frequency of stiff soil to that of short storey buildings and how this interaction affects the buildings' response during earthquakes.

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  • Some participants suggest that stiff soil like tuff rock resonates with short storey buildings, potentially leading to greater responses during seismic events.
  • There is a query about whether a formula exists to relate the frequencies of stiff soil and short storey buildings during shaking.
  • It is noted that for a specified seismic wave, the frequency spectrum remains consistent, but the amplitude of oscillation is greater in slower rocks.
  • Participants mention that the foundations of small buildings typically do not need to be deep, often resting on low velocity surface soil, which may lead to increased shaking compared to taller buildings founded on deeper, faster rock.
  • One participant explains that the energy density of the wave propagating through the material is a fundamental reason for the higher amplitude in slower rocks.

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Participants express varying views on the relationship between soil stiffness and building response, with no consensus reached on the existence of a specific formula or the implications of the discussed principles.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the physics principles behind the amplitude of oscillation in different soil types and how these principles apply to building foundations.

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Stiff soil like tuff rock is said to be in resonance with short storey buildings (like 2 to 3 storey).. meaning during seismic movement the response in the short storey buildings would be greater. Is there any formula that can relate the two... like does stiff soil has the same frequency as short storey buildings when they shake??
 
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dahoa said:
Stiff soil like tuff rock is said to be in resonance with short storey buildings (like 2 to 3 storey).. meaning during seismic movement the response in the short storey buildings would be greater. Is there any formula that can relate the two... like does stiff soil has the same frequency as short storey buildings when they shake??
Hi ya

I'm not going to personally give an answer when there is so much more professional info online
have a look at some of these linkshttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/237709756_Seismic_Response_at_Soft_Ground_Sites_Bay_of_Plenty

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321036988_Experimental_Study_on_the_Seismic_Response_of_Subway_Station_in_Soft_Ground

https://www.ijser.org/researchpaper/Evaluation-of-seismic-response-of-a-building-with-soft-story.pdf

https://www.pwri.go.jp/eng/ujnr/joint/33/paper/61sato.pdf

https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1996/ofr-96-0263/localeff.htm

http://users.ntua.gr/gbouck/downfiles/geot_earthquake_eng_Ch4-SITE-ADERS-10.pdfThere's just a small collection of dozens of sitesDave
 
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dahoa said:
Is there any formula that can relate the two... like does stiff soil has the same frequency as short storey buildings when they shake??
For a specified seismic wave, the frequency spectrum of the vibration is the same, but the amplitude of oscillation is greater in slower rocks.

The foundations of small buildings do not need to be deep, so are often just the low velocity surface soil covered by a concrete slab. The foundations of tall buildings are dug well down below the low velocity weathered soil, onto deeper fast rock.

So small buildings tend to be shaken by greater amplitude waves than tall buildings. A tall building built on a low velocity rock, such as a volcanic tuff, will be shaken significantly more than if it were securely founded on a fast granite.
 
Baluncore said:
For a specified seismic wave, the frequency spectrum of the vibration is the same, but the amplitude of oscillation is greater in slower rocks.

The foundations of small buildings do not need to be deep, so are often just the low velocity surface soil covered by a concrete slab. The foundations of tall buildings are dug well down below the low velocity weathered soil, onto deeper fast rock.

So small buildings tend to be shaken by greater amplitude waves than tall buildings. A tall building built on a low velocity rock, such as a volcanic tuff, will be shaken significantly more than if it were securely founded on a fast granite.
What physics principle why the amplitude of oscillation is greater in slower (you mean low velocity?) rock?
 
Fundamentally it comes down to the energy density of the wave propagating through the material. At half the velocity of propagation, there is twice the energy present per unit length of the propagation path. That implies a higher amplitude.
 

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