Does the Beer-Lambert Law Apply Differently in Active Environments?

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The discussion centers around the application of the Beer-Lambert Law in different environments, specifically contrasting normal environments with active environments where the population of excited atoms exceeds that of normal atoms. The focus includes theoretical implications of absorption coefficients and the behavior of light in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in normal environments, the absorption coefficient (\alpha) is greater than zero, while in active environments with more excited atoms than normal atoms, \alpha may be less than zero.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of resonant environments for the discussion, noting that in cases where light frequency matches atomic transition frequencies, both absorption and stimulated emission occur, affecting the overall absorption behavior.
  • Another participant questions the nature of light absorption and re-emission in ground states, suggesting that absorbed light is re-emitted isotropically after de-excitation.
  • It is noted that in solid materials, absorbed light energy may be converted to heat and infrared radiation rather than being re-emitted as visible light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of light in various environments, particularly regarding the conditions under which absorption occurs and the implications of excited versus ground states. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific conditions such as resonant environments and thermodynamic equilibrium, but the implications of these conditions on the Beer-Lambert Law are not fully resolved. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of light and atomic interactions that are not explicitly stated.

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Hi! I want to ask you something. Why on normal environments the [tex]\alpha > 0[/tex] (the coefficient of absorption) and in active environments where [itex]N_n > N_m[/itex], where [itex]N_n[/itex](the number of excited atoms) and [itex]N_m[/itex](the number of normal atoms) the coefficient of absorption is [tex]\alpha < 0[/tex]. I think in normal environments [tex]\alpha = 0[/tex]. !??
 
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Physicsissuef said:
Hi! I want to ask you something. Why on normal environments the [tex]\alpha > 0[/tex] (the coefficient of absorption) and in active environments where [itex]N_n > N_m[/itex], where [itex]N_n[/itex](the number of excited atoms) and [itex]N_m[/itex](the number of normal atoms) the coefficient of absorption is [tex]\alpha < 0[/tex]. I think in normal environments [tex]\alpha = 0[/tex]. !??

First of all, it's not said in your question, but if we are talking about absorption, stimulated emission, and population of atoms in ground and excited state, we implicitly presume, that the light is passing through a "resonant" environment - i.e. the frequency of the light is approximately the same as the frequency of the transition of the atoms from ground to excited state.

This is not the case of what u probably call normal environment - e.g. visible light passing through glass. Here the transitions in atoms are in much higher frequencies - for glass somewhere in UV region (300nm) - glass environment is subresonant - the absorption in visible light region is negligible.

If you have light passing through a resonant environment - laser gain medium (glass doped with some ions) - there are two processes going on inside - absorption and stimulated emission. They happen with same crossections. But if there are more atoms in excited state, it is more likely that the atoms will fall down to the ground state => absorption is negative. If you have environment in theormodynamical equilibrium there are always more atoms in ground than in exc. state, and it is more likely, that atoms will be excited => light absorbed.

Hope u'll find it useful.
 
But isn't in ground states light absorbed and then re-emitted?
 
the atom de-excitates after a short while, but then the radiation is emitted isotropically.

So in a beam passing through material (like gas), photos will disappear due to aborbtion in atoms. And photons will be emitted into the beam after the atom de-excitates. But that latter number is SO small, due to the isotropical emission of these photons.

That was perhaps not the 100% answer to your question, but it is worth to think about it.
 
Physicsissuef said:
But isn't in ground states light absorbed and then re-emitted?

If the absorbing material is a solid, the energy of the absorbed light is converted to heat and infrared radiation.
 

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