Does the center of the galaxy always appear brighter than the rest?

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The discussion revolves around the brightness of the center of galaxies compared to their overall structure, particularly in relation to black holes and star distribution. Participants explore whether the center remains brighter in older galaxies where the central black hole is not actively feeding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the center of galaxies appears brighter due to a higher concentration of stars, particularly in the Galactic Bulge, which contains many bright red giants.
  • Others argue that the brightness of the center is not solely due to an active black hole, as many spiral galaxy cores are not currently feeding.
  • A participant introduces the concept of "feeding" as stars falling into the black hole, while others clarify that not all approaching matter is consumed, and some can enter stable orbits around the black hole.
  • Concerns are raised about the representation of galaxy brightness in images, suggesting that artistic adjustments can mislead viewers regarding actual brightness levels.
  • One participant emphasizes that observing through a telescope confirms the brightness difference between the center and the arms of a galaxy, which may not be accurately depicted in photographs.
  • Another participant mentions that gravitational interactions can lead to stars eventually crossing the event horizon, contributing to the brightness perception around black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the brightness of galaxy centers, with no consensus reached on whether this brightness is maintained in older galaxies without active black holes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of black hole activity and star distribution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of interpreting images of galaxies, noting that brightness can be influenced by color adjustments and that actual observations may differ from photographic representations.

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Hi

Every picture I see on the internet depicts it brighter than the galaxy as a whole.
Now I know that when a black hole is feeding and a galaxy is still in the progress of creation, that's true.
But is it true for old galaxies as well whose black hole is not feeding anymore? And if it is, then why?

Thanks in advance,
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"Feeding"? Not sure what you mean by that. The galaxy has a big black hole in the center, and it also has a lot of stars orbiting that black hole, which is why the center of our galaxy (and most galaxies) is so bright.

A black hole isn't some kind of cosmic vacuum cleaner.
 
Active Galactic Nucleii and Quasars seem to be galaxies in which the central black-hole is extremely active, probably due to more accretion than usual. But most spiral galaxy cores are bright because of the Galactic Bulge, which is a denser sphere of old stars, many of which are bright red giants.
 
What you're seeing is just a lot more stars towards the center. That's how the stars are distributed. Our galaxy's core is not really active, the black hole doesn't engage in enough accretion to make it a Quasar.
 
russ_watters said:
A black hole isn't some kind of cosmic vacuum cleaner.

I never claimed anything like that.
 
fawk3s said:
I never claimed anything like that.
Then I don't understand what you mean by "feeding"...though if you question is answered we can just let it go.
 
I thought it was fairly clear.

Feeding = stars are falling into the event horizon.

Quiet = all the stars that would do this are already gone, so all the remaining stars have orbits that avoid the black hole.

If something disrupts lots of stelar orbits, like for example another galaxy passing by, then the black hole would start feeding again.
 
One thing that you do have to be careful about is that when someone shows a picture of a galaxy on the internet, it's as much art as science, and their main concern is to make a cool looking picture. Trying to get actual brightnesses from a picture on the internet can be very misleading.

For example, the centers of spiral galaxies tend to be red, and the arms tend to be blue, so by adjusting the color balance to get a good picture, you can change the relative brightness of things.
 
russ_watters said:
Then I don't understand what you mean by "feeding"...though if you question is answered we can just let it go.

From what I've heard the matter entering a black hole becomes part of it. So I just thought "feeding" would be an appropriate word for it.

If that's not true, enlighten me.
 
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twofish-quant said:
One thing that you do have to be careful about is that when someone shows a picture of a galaxy on the internet, it's as much art as science, and their main concern is to make a cool looking picture. Trying to get actual brightnesses from a picture on the internet can be very misleading.

For example, the centers of spiral galaxies tend to be red, and the arms tend to be blue, so by adjusting the color balance to get a good picture, you can change the relative brightness of things.

You don't have to look at pictures to tell that the center of a galaxy is brighter than its arms. If you look through a telescope, it's obvious; in fact, the contrast is usually larger than what photos would imply.
 
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A black hole goes through a period of what you would call in laymen's terms "feeding".

However, the gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that not all elements that approach it are "eaten" by it. If these elements do no cross the black hole's event horizon, then they can get "caught" in the gravitational pull of the black hole and thus orbit the black hole- hence the brightness that you perceive since although the black hole does not emit light, the galaxies/etc surrounding the black hole seem to orbit an empty space in the middle.
 
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Planethunter is right, but when stars, gas clouds and everything else that begins to orbit the black hole, the gravity is strong enough to slowly degrade the orbit so that the element previously orbiting the black hole will cross the event horizon.
 

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