Does the Compton wavelength put a limitation on position measurements?

In summary, the Compton wavelength limits our ability to measure the position of a particle more precisely than half of its wavelength due to the creation of particle-antiparticle pairs when using a photon to measure. These pairs are indistinguishable, resulting in uncertainty in the measurement process. It is not possible to determine which of the two particles caused the photon's reaction, making it impossible to accurately measure the particle's position.
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Ali Lavasani
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I have read on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_wavelength) that we cannot measure the position of a particle more precise than half of its Compton wavelength, since the photon we would need will be so energetic to produce electron-positron pairs.

How does the creation of electron-positron pairs lead to uncertainty? Does this this fundamentally and in principle limit our possible knowledge of a particle's position?
 
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Ali Lavasani said:
we cannot measure the position of a particle more precise than half of its Compton wavelength, since the photon we would need will be so energetic to produce electron-positron pairs.

Not electron-positron pairs, but particle-antiparticle pairs of the same type as the particle you are trying to measure.

Ali Lavasani said:
Does this this fundamentally and in principle limit our possible knowledge of a particle's position?

It limits our ability to measure the particle's position, because if a pair is created, there is no way to know whether the position that just got measured applies to the original particle or the particle of the pair that got created (since the two are indistinguishable).
 
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PeterDonis said:
Not electron-positron pairs, but particle-antiparticle pairs of the same type as the particle you are trying to measure.
It limits our ability to measure the particle's position, because if a pair is created, there is no way to know whether the position that just got measured applies to the original particle or the particle of the pair that got created (since the two are indistinguishable).

could you explain why they are not indistinguishable? How does the measurement work when we shoot a photon toward the particle?
 
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Ali Lavasani said:
could you explain why they are not indistinguishable?

They are indistinguishable.
 
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PeterDonis said:
They are indistinguishable.

My question was, how does the position measuring process using a photon works, and why it can't distinguish between the two particles. Do you mean that we get a result which is correct with a probability of %50?
 
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Ali Lavasani said:
how does the position measuring process using a photon works

You shoot a photon at the area where you think the particle is, and watch what happens to it.

Ali Lavasani said:
why it can't distinguish between the two particles

Nothing can distinguish between two quantum particles of the same type (such as electrons). That's a basic fact of QM.

Ali Lavasani said:
Do you mean that we get a result which is correct with a probability of %50?

No, I mean that if a particle-antiparticle pair is created, there are now two particles present of the same type (the original particle, and one of the pair), and there is no way of telling which of the two particles of the same type caused the photon to do whatever you saw it do.
 

1. What is the Compton wavelength?

The Compton wavelength is a fundamental constant in physics that describes the wavelength of a particle with a given mass. It is named after Arthur Compton, who first proposed its existence in 1923.

2. How does the Compton wavelength relate to position measurements?

The Compton wavelength puts a limitation on position measurements because it describes the minimum distance at which a particle's position can be accurately measured. This is due to the wave-particle duality of matter, where particles also exhibit wave-like behavior, making it impossible to determine their exact position with complete certainty.

3. What is the significance of the Compton wavelength?

The Compton wavelength is significant because it helps us understand the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, which states that the more precisely we know a particle's position, the less we know about its momentum, and vice versa. It also has implications for the measurement and manipulation of subatomic particles.

4. Does the Compton wavelength apply to all particles?

Yes, the Compton wavelength applies to all particles, including electrons, protons, and even larger particles like atoms and molecules. However, its value varies depending on the mass of the particle.

5. Can the Compton wavelength be measured?

Yes, the Compton wavelength can be measured using various techniques, such as scattering experiments and precision spectroscopy. These measurements have confirmed the existence of the Compton wavelength and its relationship to position measurements.

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