Does the Limit Comparison Test Work for Divergent Integrals?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the limit comparison test to the integral \(\int_2^{\infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}} \, dx\). Participants are exploring whether this test is valid for divergent integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to use the function \(1/x\) as a comparison and discussing the limits involved in the application of the limit comparison test. There are questions about the results of the limits and the correctness of simplifications made during the process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches and questioning the validity of certain steps taken in the limit calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of algebra versus l'Hôpital's rule for simplification.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be some confusion regarding the application of the limit comparison test and the simplifications necessary for evaluating the limits, as well as the implications of the results on the convergence or divergence of the integral.

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Homework Statement


use limit comparison test.


Homework Equations


\displaystyle\int_2^∞ {\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}} dx}


The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried usin 1/x as the comparison function, but when applying the test it
comes out to 0, not an L -> 0 < L < ∞
 
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whatlifeforme said:

Homework Statement


use limit comparison test.


Homework Equations


\displaystyle\int_2^∞ {\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}} dx}


The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried usin 1/x as the comparison function, but when applying the test it
comes out to 0, not an L -> 0 < L < ∞

Show how you got the limit to be L=0. I get L=1.
 
\displaystyle limit (x-&gt;inf) \frac{1/x}{1/\sqrt{x^2 - 1}}

\displaystyle limit (x-&gt;inf) \frac{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}}{x} = inf/inf

\displaystyle limit (x-&gt;inf) \frac{2x}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}} = inf/inf

\displaystyle limit (x-&gt;inf) \frac{2}{\sqrt[3/2]{x^2 - 1}} = 2/inf = 0
 
I you try to use l'Hopital on that you are just going to go in circles until you make a mistake and miss a chain rule, like you did. Use algebra to simplify the limit. sqrt(x^2-1)=x*sqrt(1-1/x^2).
 
Dick said:
I you try to use l'Hopital on that you are just going to go in circles until you make a mistake and miss a chain rule, like you did. Use algebra to simplify the limit. sqrt(x^2-1)=x*sqrt(1-1/x^2).

i'm sorry I'm lost, and i don't think i left out the chain rule i just didn't include the simplifications in the work above.
 
whatlifeforme said:
i'm sorry I'm lost, and i don't think i left out the chain rule i just didn't include the simplifications in the work above.

I don't know what simplifications you made, since you didn't show them, but they aren't right. The first l'Hopital should give you ##\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}}##, the next will give ##\frac{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}}{x}##. Etc, etc.
 
how does this look:

1/sqrt(x^2-1) / (1/x)

\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}}

lim (x->inf) \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(1/x^2)}} = 1

\displaystyle\int_2^∞ {(1/x) dx}

ln|x| ^{∞}_{2}

diverges.
 
whatlifeforme said:
how does this look:

1/sqrt(x^2-1) / (1/x)

\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}}

lim (x->inf) \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(1/x^2)}} = 1

\displaystyle\int_2^∞ {(1/x) dx}

ln|x| ^{∞}_{2}

diverges.

Looks fine. l'Hopital's isn't the best way to handle every limit.
 

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